Smokers getting a rough ride?

rubadub · 06-12-2006 09:56PM

julep wrote:

And there we have it, folks.

Does my smoking affect you in a bad way?

So you do smoke, I stated where I smoke, that I rarely do it, how I do it, and what I smoke, and how little I smoke. You have not stated any of these things, so quite possibly it does affect me or did affect me in the past.

julep wrote:

Does anyones?

Yeah, kids in some peoples homes here, people in other countries, workers still subject to passive smoking in their work environments. At least the govnerment saw fit to do something about it.

julep wrote:

what the hell are you arguing about?

Orginally I was not really arguing I was saying that people should be grateful that it is legal to smoke their drug of choice at all, others have to risk arrest while some moan about the 50cent increase and having to smoke outside. As I mentioned I would not whine if my drugs of choice costed the same as cigarettes and was subject to the same restrictions. The argument that developed is fundamentally about the hypocrisy of the drug laws.

rubadub · 06-12-2006 10:03PM

Dutchology wrote:

It is legal for me to smoke. Does my legal smoking affect you in a bad way?:rolleyes:

Possibly as I mentioned in the last post. So does mine affect you?

Dutchology wrote:

No I would not,

Good.

Dutchology wrote:

however my taxes certainly aren't going towards tobacco smokers ending up in jail for smoking their "drug of choice"!

I dont think I ever inferred they were.
your money does go towards health inspectors (or whatever they are termed) going around inspecting borderline beer gardens. It does go towards prosecution of people involved in the illegal tobacco trade. And it could well go towards jailing illegal tobacco smokers who refuse to pay fines in the future, don't know if there has been a case yet.

Dutchology · 06-12-2006 10:06PM

rubadub wrote:

So you do smoke, I stated where I smoke, that I rarely do it, how I do it, and what I smoke, and how little I smoke. You have not stated any of these things, so quite possibly it does affect me or did affect me in the past.

I don't think it's any of your business. If you wish to confess your crimes to us, that's your business.

Dutchology · 06-12-2006 10:11PM

rubadub wrote:

Possibly as I mentioned in the last post. So does mine affect you?

Other than the fact that it's illegal, I don't really give a rat's a** what you do, and you shouldn't give a rat's a** about what we do either!!!

If I am not standing beside you, blowing smoke in your face, my smoking does not affect you! :rolleyes:

generalmiaow · 06-12-2006 10:19PM

I'm a smoker and I normally take the side of smokers in these debates but this price hike is the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of quitting this year. No way I can pay the rent and keep smoking after this coming summer.

That said, I am in the minority of smokers with that, and I'm sure this was just an another way of justifying a giveaway budget, and won't have a major health-increasing effect. But raising prices does work with at least one person.

rubadub · 06-12-2006 10:24PM

Dutchology wrote:

I don't think it's any of your business.

You were the one who asked me if your smoking affected me! then you refuse to divulge anything about it:rolleyes:
I don't know what answer you expected from me, how am I supposed to know if it affects me if you tell me nothing. Obviously you were not expecting the answer you got, and were just trying to be smart and dismissive. You probably expect the same answer you would have given me when I asked the question, but weaseled out of it at first before finally bothering to answer it.

So like Julep it is the legality you have a problem with, nothing more. Does my recording of the news on TV bother you too?

rubadub · 06-12-2006 10:27PM

generalmiaow wrote:

I'm a smoker and I normally take the side of smokers in these debates but this price hike is the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of quitting this year. No way I can pay the rent and keep smoking after this coming summer.

That said, I am in the minority of smokers with that, and I'm sure this was just an another way of justifying a giveaway budget, and won't have a major health-increasing effect. But raising prices does work with at least one person.

Best of luck with the quitting! hope you make it.

Terry · 06-12-2006 10:47PM

rubadub wrote:

You were the one who asked me if your smoking affected me! then you refuse to divulge anything about it:rolleyes:
I don't know what answer you expected from me, how am I supposed to know if it affects me if you tell me nothing. Obviously you were not expecting the answer you got, and were just trying to be smart and dismissive. You probably expect the same answer you would have given me when I asked the question, but weaseled out of it at first before finally bothering to answer it.

So like Julep it is the legality you have a problem with, nothing more. Does my recording of the news on TV bother you too?

is margarine unhealthy?
were you turned on by Jennifer Jason Leigh practicing deep throat on a carrot in the movie "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"?
why does the "TV sting catches paedo" thread keep coming up in the related threads links?

none of these things have anything to do with tobacco smoking (except the Jennifer Jason Leigh one, but that's only at a stretch), just as your question about recording the news has no place in this thread. sky+, anyone? they allow you to record movies. ****, if you're a sky subscriber, you can even download some of the movies they show off the internet.

in short, keep it on topic.

you lost your arguement when you made the popint that your smoking doesn't have adverse effects on others. therefore none of our smoking habits have an adverse effect on others.

rubadub · 07-12-2006 12:51AM

julep wrote:

is margarine unhealthy?.

Some might think so, I think it would be crazy to make it illegal for that point.

julep wrote:

?
were you turned on by Jennifer Jason Leigh practicing deep throat on a carrot in the movie "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"?
why does the "TV sting catches paedo" thread keep coming up in the related threads links?

Never saw it, and don't know

julep wrote:

just as your question about recording the news has no place in this thread. .

I am trying to gauge how much of a "bad" man you think I am for doing either illegal act, you and Dutchology seem only to care about the fact that what I am doing is illegal, it is not like you think it is particularly bad, similarly I expect you do not think that recording the 9 o'clock news is such a terrible crime. But going by your logic you should be just as upset about me recording TV as smoking cannabis. I am trying to point out to you and others the stupidity and illogical laws in place. And yet you come out with lines like "long live the establishment".

Again you are both weaseling out of answering a question.

julep wrote:

sky+, anyone? they allow you to record movies. ****, if you're a sky subscriber, you can even download some of the movies they show off the internet.

International waters, holland anyone?
They let you smoke cannabis there, FFS possesion is only cautioned in the UK.
Anybody can play that stupid game :rolleyes:
I would bet my life that you and Dutchology have engaged in some minor illegal activity in your lifetime, be it technical littering, breaking some copyright law such as illegal photocopying, recording music/TV/software thats what I am getting at, yet you come across all high and mighty lecturing my about me illegal activity even though all you seem to care about is its actual illegality rather than the act.

802.11 · 07-12-2006 01:23AM

Smoking *does* affect non-smokers... As part of a society the actions of smokers affect the overall society including the non smokers..

The cost of the hospice beds and the hospital resources used by smokers is shared by everyone, the time wasted by workers on "smoke" breaks costs the entire economy.. and so on.. so yes smoking does affect everyone..

On the subject of cannabis, rubadub you need to realise that this is boards.ie, expect intolerance and plain ignorance, no point taking it personal.. I agree with most that you have said.. Criminal gangs are not caused by drugs, they are caused by prohibition of certain drugs.. blame the government for their dim witted approach to the drug problem..

I love this attitude in ireland that because alcohol and tobacco are legal they are not really drugs and therefore not harmful.. Nicotine is a drug and smokers are ADDICTS, just like the heroin junkies.. only difference is that heroin is illegal..

Give it a decade and tobacco will be banned..

cornbb · 07-12-2006 01:36AM

802.11 wrote:

Criminal gangs are not caused by drugs, they are caused by prohibition of certain drugs

..

Give it a decade and tobacco will be banned..

I hope you're not suggesting that banning tobacco would be a GOOD thing then. And no one is more aware that nicotine is a drug than smokers.

I'm tired of this thread now. No one's said anything new in the last 5 or 6 pages.

the_syco · 07-12-2006 01:37AM

802.11 wrote:

The cost of the hospice beds and the hospital resources used by smokers is shared by everyone, the time wasted by workers on "smoke" breaks costs the entire economy.. and so on.. so yes smoking does affect everyone..

Don't forget about the old people, whilst you're at it:rolleyes:

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As for smoke breaks, every company I've worked in has smokers. Not one of them allows people to go for smoke breaks. You get your breaks, spend them as you want, but thats it. I blame lax company policy.

=-=

As for those giving it up: go cold turkey. Right now, I'm off them two point five weeks. I say I'll last untill the weekend, but I take it day by day.

802.11 · 07-12-2006 01:47AM

cornbb wrote:

I hope you're not suggesting that banning tobacco would be a GOOD thing then. And no one is more aware that nicotine is a drug than smokers.

I'm tired of this thread now. No one's said anything new in the last 5 or 6 pages.

No i don't think that cigarettes should be banned.. its an addiction that should be treated...

That comment about old people was stupid... nothing to do with the debate..

FranknFurter · 07-12-2006 01:57AM

cornbb wrote:

More antismoking measures in the budget. Note how it says "raising €112m", not "causing x amount of smokers to quit". Says it all really :rolleyes:

Yep. :mad:
I guess its weekly trips to moore st and a change of brands for me then!:rolleyes:

B

Adam · 07-12-2006 02:03AM

Firstly, may I take a moment to say "OMFG SHUT THE HELL UP!!". Now that that's out of the way...

rubadub wrote:

So you do smoke, I stated where I smoke, that I rarely do it, how I do it, and what I smoke, and how little I smoke. You have not stated any of these things, so quite possibly it does affect me or did affect me in the past.

The location of any smoker is a toss up between their own homes, or outdoors. Simple as. Any questions?

rubadub wrote:

Yeah, kids in some peoples homes here, people in other countries, workers still subject to passive smoking in their work environments. At least the govnerment saw fit to do something about it.

We've covered the kids issue, that's down to parents and their rule over the home they live in. You're masturbation might upset me, but if you do it in your own home, even in front of your kids, I couldn't care less. That case is closed, please stop bringing it up.

rubadub wrote:

Orginally I was not really arguing I was saying that people should be grateful that it is legal to smoke their drug of choice at all, others have to risk arrest while some moan about the 50cent increase and having to smoke outside. As I mentioned I would not whine if my drugs of choice costed the same as cigarettes and was subject to the same restrictions. The argument that developed is fundamentally about the hypocrisy of the drug laws.

In other words, you're bitter about the fact that you can't smoke dope, and wish that you could, at the price of cigarettes or even for fifty cent more. Of course you wouldn't whine, anything is better than it being outlawed in your eyes. So how is any of this relevant? This thread was originally about a currently legal product, and it's price going up AGAIN. How your drug habits tie in to it I do not know. Take your bitterness elsewhere please, it's bothering me more than my smoking is bothering you.

Adam · 07-12-2006 02:08AM

rubadub wrote:

Possibly as I mentioned in the last post. So does mine affect you?

No, but we didn't start whining about your habit, you started whining about ours.

rubadub wrote:

Good. I dont think I ever inferred they were.
your money does go towards health inspectors (or whatever they are termed) going around inspecting borderline beer gardens. It does go towards prosecution of people involved in the illegal tobacco trade. And it could well go towards jailing illegal tobacco smokers who refuse to pay fines in the future, don't know if there has been a case yet.

The inspectors of any business establishment check this, there are not a new position, health inspectors will inspect a smoking area under its routine check. Our smoking legally has nothing to do with the illegal tobacco trade, take that point to people operating in the black market, it doesn't concern us and we have no effect on it.

Don't think there has been a case of a smoker being jailed, when there is come back to us with that point. But if you do you better be prepared to argue your point having confessed to smoking an illegal substance and then we can take about jail time, cops wages etc. yeah? Thanks.

Adam · 07-12-2006 02:09AM

generalmiaow wrote:

I'm a smoker and I normally take the side of smokers in these debates but this price hike is the straw that broke the camel's back in terms of quitting this year. No way I can pay the rent and keep smoking after this coming summer.

That said, I am in the minority of smokers with that, and I'm sure this was just an another way of justifying a giveaway budget, and won't have a major health-increasing effect. But raising prices does work with at least one person.

Best of luck to you.

Adam · 07-12-2006 02:20AM

802.11 wrote:

Smoking *does* affect non-smokers... As part of a society the actions of smokers affect the overall society including the non smokers..

The cost of the hospice beds and the hospital resources used by smokers is shared by everyone, the time wasted by workers on "smoke" breaks costs the entire economy.. and so on.. so yes smoking does affect everyone..

Not going to argue this. Should we ban drinking/driving? And as someone else pointed out, places of employment don't offer cigarette breaks, you get your break what you do with it is your own business.

802.11 wrote:

On the subject of cannabis, rubadub you need to realise that this is boards.ie, expect intolerance and plain ignorance, no point taking it personal.. I agree with most that you have said.. Criminal gangs are not caused by drugs, they are caused by prohibition of certain drugs.. blame the government for their dim witted approach to the drug problem..

I am not ignorant, nor have I acted such. Couldn't care less if he smokes man pole, I will be tolerant in so far as his points are relevant to the argument. And for the record, I have not made a point out of the overall legalities of either activity. You can blame the government for whatever you want, but your vague references contribute nothing to the thread.

802.11 wrote:

I love this attitude in ireland that because alcohol and tobacco are legal they are not really drugs and therefore not harmful.. Nicotine is a drug and smokers are ADDICTS, just like the heroin junkies.. only difference is that heroin is illegal..

Who is displaying this attitude may I ask? I'm aware of the drug status of nicotine and alcohol, and I know I'm addicted to nicotine.

802.11 wrote:

Give it a decade and tobacco will be banned..

Sources please? Oh wait, is that just your opinion?? Well, based on the content of this post, I think I'll refrain from taking that statement for any value thanks.

Contribute something new and relevant will you?

Dutchology · 07-12-2006 10:54AM

rubadub wrote:

you and Dutchology seem only to care about the fact that what I am doing is illegal

legal/illegal - rubadub, what we are doing is legal, so get over yourself and bring up a new point! For the love of God, how you can be so unimaginative baffles me! This is not what this thread is about, move on :rolleyes:

rubadub wrote:

International waters, holland anyone?They let you smoke cannabis there

Then move the hell over there!!!

rubadub wrote:

I would bet my life that you and Dutchology have engaged in some minor illegal activity in your lifetime

Even if we have, why the hell would we go admitting it to you, here, in a thread regarding cigarettes, their price, and the ban of the 10 pack?!:rolleyes:

You belong in personal issues mate:p

Dutchology · 07-12-2006 11:02AM

rubadub wrote:

You were the one who asked me if your smoking affected me! then you refuse to divulge anything about it:rolleyes:
I don't know what answer you expected from me, how am I supposed to know if it affects me if you tell me nothing. Obviously you were not expecting the answer you got, and were just trying to be smart and dismissive. You probably expect the same answer you would have given me when I asked the question, but weaseled out of it at first before finally bothering to answer it.

For the sake of it: I smoke in designated areas, and as there are children and non-smokers in my house, I smoke outside at home too! You are in Dublin, I am in Cavan. Drop it, you're becoming ridiculous. The thread's jester.

rubadub wrote:

Does my recording of the news on TV bother you too?

No, why would it? Though it obviously seems to bother you!:rolleyes:

*goes outside for a cigarette* :eek:-:eek: am I bothering you rubadub? I think not!:D

Froot · 07-12-2006 12:00PM

Dragan wrote:

I would simply suggest you get on with your own lives and if you are so interested in health then remove all hydrogenated fats from diet, get your veg in and do your excercises.

I agree, I smoked and I smoke and I have to say that while there is (obviously) nothing good in it health wise, personally I do enjoy smoking a cigarette.

Smoking is an easy and viable target and is very explicit in its health damaging abilities.

I do find it hilarious when obviously unhealthy people get on my case about smoking. I work out three times a week, I maintain a good shape year in, year out and I smoke. I pay my taxes just like anyone else, on everything and I dont understand why some anti smoking people take this "**** you!!!" stance. I mean I dont smoke in innappropriate places, I dont smoke around kids etc and I welcome the smoking ban for pubs etc because I think it makes them more enjoyable.

Regarding healthcare: Healthcare is there for a reason, I have never cost the government more than the price of an immunisation injection in my entire life. I think healthcare could be better if all those miserable bastards who are showing up at A&E drunk, wasted or complaining of a common cold would monitor their own lives instead of saying "oh the smokers are about, no wonder the healthcare system is sh!te".

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WhiteWashMan wrote:

until you can come back with facts and figures to back up a statement like that, dont use it as fact.
smoking related illnesses take up far more healthcare resources, and account for more deaths than any other cause of unnatural death in the UK and Ireland.

other than that, its just the usual smokers rhetoric.

i smoked for about 13 years. i dont at the moment. i may go back on them, who knows, but i am honest enough with myself to know that i dont like the taste of them, they make me smell awful, they are an expensive habit, they really screw my breathing and my lungs, and i often used them to hide behind during awkward situations, or as some sort of placebic stress reliever.

i feel that people who tend to defend their decision to smoke to such a degree, often feel the way i do about smoking.
as hamlet said, 'me feel the lady doth protest too much'.

I agree with your opinion on smoking damaging lungs and breathing etc. It does that to me too.

I am not angry with non smokers and I am not interested in getting other people to smoke or in fact tolerate my smoking. I do however dislike the caustic attitude which many non smokers have towards smokers.I smoke because I like it and I will continue to do so as long as I enjoy it. Smoking is a liberty. As long as it remains a liberty and I enjoy it I will smoke.

Aside, I used to be 23 stone. I am now 15 stone. I never smoked when I was overweight and I feel better about myself now than I did when I was overweight and did not smoke. I think that smoking is an addiction and a health risk. I think that many things are addictions and health risks. I used to overeat and I seriously ruined my life as a result of it. Nobody said "f*ck you for eating I hope you die". People seem to lose their logic when they talk about smoking. I'm not saying smoking is better than overeating or whatever, for me I'm in a better position in my life now, and I smoke. That is all.

I want to see if the people complaining about smoking being so unhealthy are healthy, non smokers themselves. How many of you who do not smoke are overweight, have high cholesterol, take prescription medication less than once every 10 years (like me)?

Its a lifestyle choice which I do not force opon others.

Off topic I guess: has anyone noticed that the vast majority of kids nowadays are just extremely fat? Everywhere I go in Cork city I see fat kids, it was not like that 5 years ago. Banning smoking is not the be all and the end all regards health in this country, its a start but not the final solution (tee hee hee). Why dont people start realising that having an actimel once a day does not make you healthy??

Finally, to go out in a blaze of glory by repaying the favour: to all of you who do not smoke and are unhealthy, f*ck you! your a bunch of bottom feeding zealots.

Dutchology · 07-12-2006 12:21PM

Froot wrote:

I agree, I smoked and I smoke and I have to say that there is nothing good in it health wise, personally I do enjoy smoking a cigarette.

Smoking is an easy and viable target and is very explicit in its health damaging abilities.

I do find it hilarious when obviously unhealthy people get on my case about smoking. I work out three times a week, I maintain a good shape year in, year out and I smoke. I pay my taxes just like anyone else, on everything and I dont understand why some anti smoking people take this "**** you!!!" stance. I mean I dont smoke in innappropriate places, I dont smoke around kids etc and I welcome the smoking ban for pubs etc because I think it makes them more enjoyable.

Regarding healthcare: Healthcare is there for a reason, I have never cost the government more than the price of an immunisation injection in my entire life. I think healthcare could be better if all those miserable bastards who are showing up at A&E drunk, wasted or complaining of a common cold would monitor their own lives instead of saying "oh the smokers are about, no wonder the healthcare system is sh!te".

kudos to you Froot.

rubadub · 07-12-2006 02:41PM

FranknFurter wrote:

I guess its weekly trips to moore st and a change of brands for me then!:rolleyes:

Watch out! Julep will claim that you are indirectly killing people by supporting gangland violence by doing that, you are an accessory to murder in his book.

rubadub · 07-12-2006 02:49PM

Mirror wrote:

We've covered the kids issue, that's down to parents and their rule over the home they live in. You're masturbation might upset me, but if you do it in your own home, even in front of your kids, I couldn't care less. That case is closed, please stop bringing it up.

jesus, I think you need to sort your priorites, somebody smoking the odd bit off weed upsets you just because it is illegal, yet you dont give a damn about child abuse

Mirror wrote:

In other words, you're bitter about the fact that you can't smoke dope, and wish that you could, at the price of cigarettes or even for fifty cent more. Of course you wouldn't whine, anything is better than it being outlawed in your eyes. So how is any of this relevant?

I am bitter about the hypocrisy of the laws. If tobacco was illegal, as it should be following the other criteria drugs are subject to, then I would be upset that people did not have a choice to use it in a considerate manner, along with all the other drugs. I am more upset at the hypocrisy of the laws, than the actual laws. I find the argument over legality annoying when the laws are so obviously flawed.

rubadub · 07-12-2006 02:53PM

Dutchology wrote:

Even if we have, why the hell would we go admitting it to you, here, in a thread regarding cigarettes, their price, and the ban of the 10 pack?!:rolleyes:

weaseling again:rolleyes: you know exactly the point I am making, you dont even have to answer it since everybody knows the answer, and it makes your previous statements about only being upset about my act being illegal look a bit stupid.

Dutchology wrote:

For the sake of it: I smoke in designated areas, and as there are children and non-smokers in my house, I smoke outside at home too! You are in Dublin, I am in Cavan.

Grand so, it doesnt bother me. At last you answered it rather than the usual avoidance.

Dutchology wrote:

No, why would it? Though it obviously seems to bother you!:rolleyes:

You are now trying to avoid the whole point of my questioning. Your weaseling and answering simple questions back with questions might have left you confused. Before you were saying the act of my cannabis smoking did not bother you, only the fact that it was illegal. You now ask why would my recording of the news bother you? well for the exact same reason.
So it seems you have gone back on your previous ideology.

Dutchology · 07-12-2006 03:07PM

rubadub wrote:

weaseling again:rolleyes: you know exactly the point I am making, you dont even have to answer it since everybody knows the answer, and it makes your previous statements about only being upset about my act being illegal look a bit stupid.

rubadub, go and join the other two lads in the tub. Grow up. I honestly couldn't give a **** about what you do. If I was bothered by a stoner, I would start a thread in personal issues. Which, I repeat, is where you belong.

Goddamn! If I use Sky+ and record a programme from it so I can watch it when I come home from work are you going to dub me in for commiting a crime? Is that the answer that everybody knows? Is that the crime I have commited?

We are not here to discuss the fact that you are a Hash-head, which is something you have had the audacity to accuse me of. We are not here to tell me that I have commited a crime by recording the latest episode of Meerkat manor on Sky+. We are not here to deal with your personal issues with smokers.

We are here to discuss the issues of the rising prices of cigarettes and the fact that the 10-pack ban is being inforced because parents can't control their own kids.

Go and start an "I hate smokers so much that it affects my ability to use English grammar and spelling correctly and form a structured and well-founded argument" thread in Personal Issues if we bother you that much.:rolleyes:

rubadub · 07-12-2006 04:21PM

Dutchology wrote:

Goddamn! If I use Sky+ and record a programme from it so I can watch it when I come home from work are you going to dub me in for commiting a crime? Is that the answer that everybody knows? Is that the crime I have commited?

You are using the exact same stupid argument as the other guy did. You know exactly what I mean, would you be upset at me recording a program which is ILLEGAL for me to do. I did not have to spell that out, everybody reading it knew it was what I was inferring, you would have to be an idiot not to. I am not saying you are an idiot, I have not doubt whatsoever you knew exactly what I meant, but instead of answering it you realised giving the reasonable answer would make you appear to go against your previous statements and make you look foolish. Instead you come up with this pathetic sky+ argument to try and make me look foolish instead, actually you didnt even come up with it, just repeated it.

I have asked a fair few seemingly oddball questions to show up how foolish some statements were comparing them to similar activities, but then they are turned straight back in an attempt to make them seem invalid, but really the dismissal is really just bolstering the point I am trying to make.

Of course nobody cares if I record the news, it harms nobody. Of course nobody should care if I smoke in my garden, it harms nobody. Oh wait it seems it does bother people!!! WHY?????

Just step back, take a look at things fundamentally for once, not what tradition and commonality has ingrained into your mind about what is right and what is wrong.

We are not here to discuss the fact that you are a Hash-head, which is something you have had the audacity to accuse me of.

Accuse you of being a hash-head? WTF when was that :eek:

We are here to discuss the issues of the rising prices of cigarettes and the fact that the 10-pack ban is being inforced because parents can't control their own kids.

Was that the actual reason given by the government?

Dutchology · 07-12-2006 04:31PM

rubadub wrote:

Accuse you of being a hash-head? WTF when was that :eek:

Arg, I'm having a bad day, I believe that was actually Backtoblack that said that. My sincerest apologies.:o

Adam · 07-12-2006 05:50PM

rubadub wrote:

jesus, I think you need to sort your priorites, somebody smoking the odd bit off weed upsets you just because it is illegal, yet you dont give a damn about child abuse

Don't be such a fúckin idiot all your life. Someone needs to explain the term sarcastic to you. Firstly I never said you smoking weed upsets me, in fact I'm pretty sure I said I couldn't care less. Secondly, in much the same way as you keep defending your "oddball" questions, I was using an extreme example to point out the fact that we can do what we want in our own homes.

rubadub wrote:

I am bitter about the hypocrisy of the laws. If tobacco was illegal, as it should be following the other criteria drugs are subject to, then I would be upset that people did not have a choice to use it in a considerate manner, along with all the other drugs. I am more upset at the hypocrisy of the laws, than the actual laws. I find the argument over legality annoying when the laws are so obviously flawed.

The laws are flawed? Great, glad you think so. Go write a letter to someone that could make a difference, or research who you might be able to vote in to power that could change them, or move to Holland. But stop talking shíte in this thread comparing smoking dope to smoking cigarettes, nobody wants to hear it.

Adam · 07-12-2006 06:16PM

rubadub wrote:

You are using the exact same stupid argument as the other guy did. You know exactly what I mean, would you be upset at me recording a program which is ILLEGAL for me to do. I did not have to spell that out, everybody reading it knew it was what I was inferring, you would have to be an idiot not to. I am not saying you are an idiot, I have not doubt whatsoever you knew exactly what I meant, but instead of answering it you realised giving the reasonable answer would make you appear to go against your previous statements and make you look foolish. Instead you come up with this pathetic sky+ argument to try and make me look foolish instead, actually you didnt even come up with it, just repeated it.

I have asked a fair few seemingly oddball questions to show up how foolish some statements were comparing them to similar activities, but then they are turned straight back in an attempt to make them seem invalid, but really the dismissal is really just bolstering 1. the point I am trying to make.

Of course nobody cares if I record the news, it harms nobody. Of course nobody should care if I smoke in my garden, it harms nobody. 2. Oh wait it seems it does bother people!!! WHY?????

Just step back, take a look at things fundamentally for once, not what tradition and commonality has ingrained into your mind about what is right and what is wrong.

Accuse you of being a hash-head? WTF when was that :eek:

Was that the actual reason given by the government?

Two questions for you:

1. What is the point you are trying to make?

2. Who has said it bothers them that you smoke dope in your garden?

Please answer in a clear and consise manner.

Smokers getting a rough ride?

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