US: 3X02 - "The Glass Ballerina" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Basq · 17-10-2006 09:09AM

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PullMyFinger! wrote:

And are there more animals on that part of the island as part of the experiment? This audio was seperated by a user on another board at the scene where Kate and Sawyer are talking towards the end of the episode.

Well, in the official podcast after the 1st episode of the new series.. Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof both strongly hinted about a definite strong zoological element to the island.. so my answer is a definite yes.

I mean if would explain where the polar bear came from that Sawyer shot allllllllllllllllllllllll the way back in episode 1.

PullMyFinger! · 17-10-2006 09:32AM

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Thats true. And there's the comment by Mr Friendly in episode 1 about the bears figuring out the cage puzzle faster than Saywer

monkeyfudge · 17-10-2006 12:42PM

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Oh please god let there be monkeys!

stevejazzx · 17-10-2006 08:29PM

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we've known about the zoological research thingy since the blast door map so why are people surprised?
ther was polar bear loose after all

abelard · 17-10-2006 08:34PM

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maybe they're trying to bring back extinct animals, and/or conserve those already in danger.

i have basically no basis for this and am just pulling it off the top of my head, but meh

kevmy · 18-10-2006 10:55AM

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People seem a little fixated on the whole Red Sox thing but if we Irish it up a bit maybe more people will understand:
So your a Mayoman and you crash land on a strange tropical island. After a couple of months of fluting about you're captured by mysterious others and they tell you they have contact with the outside world. You don't belive them. They tell you that since you've been away Ireland has re-elected Bertie and Mayo have won the All Ireland. You wouldn't give a monkeys who they elected but you can't really belive Mayo have finally crossed into that Holy Grail in the Sky. But they wheel out a TV and show you Kieran Mac kicking a last minute winner over Kerry in the final. Now that would shake you up.

Also can we disband the theory of time moves at a different speed on the island than in the real world. Firstly time isn't moving slower in the outside world otherwise they wouldn't be able to know that the Red Sox won and Dubya got re-elected. Secondly time isn't moving faster in the outside world because if you cast your mind back to the end of the second season we saw Desmond's girlfriend (or whatever she was). If time was moving considerably faster in the real world after three years (island time) of searching for Desmond then she would look alot older.
Sorry if thats a little confusing but thats the best i could make it.

damnyanks · 18-10-2006 01:21PM

what i reckon is happening is the others are the "good guys" like they keep saying.

Dharma are the bad guys. They control the smoke thing.

Anima · 18-10-2006 03:15PM

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Kevmy, I can't remember which podcast it is but Damon Lindelof pretty much said that time might be moving at a different rate on the island than the real world.

kevmy · 18-10-2006 05:43PM

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Anima wrote:

Kevmy, I can't remember which podcast it is but Damon Lindelof pretty much said that time might be moving at a different rate on the island than the real world.

Interesting. I never heard there was any "offical" comment on this theory. He could only be throwing out red herrings. I still reckon if there is any time shift it is minimal enough and almost defo that time isn't moving slower in the real world/ faster on the island. I'll say it might be possible that time could be moving faster in the real world but still to be convinced.

I only mentioned it cause Benry said he'd "been on the island all my life". It was previously suggested time moved considerably faster (on the island) then Benry might only actually be ~20 yrs old. He said Bush was re-elected which would have only been ~14 - 20 days ago if both timelines were running at the same time. So my point is the (largest possible) corresponding timeshift could not make Benry much younger than he is ~7 yrs at the absolute most by my quick calculations. (Assuming Benry's forty, has been on the island all his life and time going ~2 months in a year faster) This would still put the others on the island for 33 yrs.

Again i'm sorry for any confusion caused

19-10-2006 12:07AM

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Quite a good episode.

To those of you that wonder about the length of the plot going on and on and on without revealing much but still being mostly enthrawling...
Thats exactly what the old b&w series in the 60's did The fugitive (much much later made into the film with Harry),my parents told me it was so more ish that people used stop everything for the hour it was on.

Lost by and large for me anyway has a similar more ish quality about it whilst not hinting too much at what is to be the end of this.

pchead · 19-10-2006 12:19AM

monkeyfudge wrote:

I wonder if Ben uses Bit Torrents to get his programming from the outside world...

Nah..cousins, I'd say

doh.ie · 20-10-2006 02:17AM

3x02: Gah! Weak, weak, weak. The flashback scenes were all old hat, bar Sun's lover killing himself. Notice how they made sure Jin wasn't directly responsible as this might turn the viewer against him. Still nothing too exciting though. Said it pretty much all last year, but they need to work on NEW material for these characters instead of rehashing the same plots (and especially) themes over and over again. Fro 3x01 and 3x02, it was (again) Jack’s “now you have something to fix” and Sun/Jin’s “you don’t trust each other/now you do” and ”are you lying?”/”yes”/”ok, don’t lie again” type emotional journeys.

The on-island stuff was better, mostly the Kate/Saywer scenes (though the boat stuff seemed to stretch out for me). Nice to see Danielle’s daughter again. Good to see they’re keeping their already established actors on call.

The Benjamin Linus/real world revelation: I knew the idea of having each season take place over just a month might be difficult with the real world moving along in, well, real time, at some stage and this was it. Two months have passed since the plane crash (i.e. Lost first aired). Bush was re-elected, Christopher Reeves died and the Red Sox won. Of course, this is important as this has a personal connection to Jake. However, the show is 100% now confined to real world events six/seven months after September 2004. I can't help but think there's a limitation built in now. I do like him showing Jack the Rod Sox game, and the proof the real world exists and continues, and that the Others have contacts there, but it might prove restrictive down the line.

I should have been really satisfied by this episode, but I have to say I wasn’t. Possibly was well brought down by the Sun/Jin backstory, or the less-than-thrilling stuff on the boat, but whatever it was, I’d have taken another torturous Jack flashback in combination with his underwater jail scenes any day. (Even the whale song in the cell was more entertaining than Sun and Jin at times…)

Overall: 6/10. Not feeling very generous, but there was a definite sense of the viewer being toyed with in parts of this; an “I know we’re dragging the hell out of this, but you’ll all sit around and be patient anyway” sort of thing. I love the show like the rest of you, but I need to feel I’ve gotten something out of it at the end. And three minutes with Ben Linus telling the truth (for a change) each week isn’t going to do it all season long.

NeiloMac · 08-11-2006 01:10PM

kevmy wrote:

Interesting. I never heard there was any "offical" comment on this theory. He could only be throwing out red herrings. I still reckon if there is any time shift it is minimal enough and almost defo that time isn't moving slower in the real world/ faster on the island. I'll say it might be possible that time could be moving faster in the real world but still to be convinced.

I only mentioned it cause Benry said he'd "been on the island all my life". It was previously suggested time moved considerably faster (on the island) then Benry might only actually be ~20 yrs old. He said Bush was re-elected which would have only been ~14 - 20 days ago if both timelines were running at the same time. So my point is the (largest possible) corresponding timeshift could not make Benry much younger than he is ~7 yrs at the absolute most by my quick calculations. (Assuming Benry's forty, has been on the island all his life and time going ~2 months in a year faster) This would still put the others on the island for 33 yrs.

Again i'm sorry for any confusion caused

Maybe your onto something there, that time on the outside world is moving a bit faster, that way if they bring back walt and micheal they will be able to explain how walt has visabley aged,

Nalz · 08-11-2006 01:48PM

when is this replayed on RTE? or can I see it soon on sky?>?

thanks

tired of life? · 10-11-2006 07:49PM

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magick wrote:

id love it in the end the other kidnapped sun on the boat , then we would have an entire season of Jin shouting "they took my SUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

and off in the distance u can hear michael "they took MA BHOY!!!!!!!!!!!"

lol x500000:)

Fence · 17-11-2006 04:25PM

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Talisman wrote:

The survivors seem to have a paranoid shoot first ask questions later policy.

Murders? Charlie gunned down Ethan.

After being strung by him first though. And having Claire kidnapped.

And lets not forget that Eko killed people who were trying to drag him into off into the night.
And stealing the kids from the beach.

Course, there could be another group out there in the jungle that stole the children and tried to take Eko et al, but so far there is nothing to prove that anyone at all is a good guy.

SoSueMe · 18-11-2006 05:47PM

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This is one sign to me that this series won't have as much filler episodes. Remember last seasons second episode Adrift, boring and pointless. This episode resolved a few issues in flashback, decent island adventure with the boat and the revelation at the end proved lost is certainly back on track form the good but not great second series.

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