Dunphy the tv pundit

tetsujin1979 · 02-11-2006 05:48PM

Vince135792003 wrote:

I'd love to see how Brady, Giles and especially Dunphy would go down with the British public (and Richard Keyes), even just for 1 show. I think the majority would find them refreshing.

Giles did one show on Sky Sports, but didn't come off well, they didn't let him get his point across and didn't give him much time to speak either. There was a round up on football365 of the alternatives to MOTD/The Premiership on ITV a few months back and most in the west said if you can pick up RTE then watching the Premiership was well worth it

Vince135792003 · 02-11-2006 05:53PM

tetsujin1979 wrote:

Giles did one show on Sky Sports, ,

What show was it?

tetsujin1979 · 02-11-2006 05:57PM

Vince135792003 wrote:

What show was it?

He was a pundit for one game, ages ago. 3 years at least I'd say
Can't even remember who was playing

_blank_ · 02-11-2006 06:53PM

It might have been 'You're on Sky Sports'.

I have a vague recollection of it.

BaZmO* · 02-11-2006 09:03PM

It was Jim'll Fix It.

Fred got his wish but unfortunately for him, and as is the the way with JFI, it was only for one day. Ah well, probably a good thing for all concerned.

fred funk }{ · 03-11-2006 05:53PM

I have to disagree with some of you boys, I actually like Houghton and tend to agree with most things he says. The Dunph is pure entertainment nothing else, his lack of knowledge of football is comical but you gota love him.

justfortherecor · 03-10-2007 01:56PM

Just spent an entertaining half hour flicking through some of Dunphy's golden moments on Youtube. Here's some of the favourites:

Firstly, THE rant:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prep4trYNj4

After Liverpool knocked out Barcelona in CL last year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHTM-abNEyk

"First time I've seen sex between 2 men". Souness looks confused by it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cugYQ35vtvQ

"Ronaldo is a Puffball"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nosRxHeiAdA

"Would ya let him drive the train to Cork, Bill?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2riImtF0tw0

Eamon on what defines greatness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7mIGM3UeEc

"They think God is English"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUfqp7e7mBI

Jazzy · 03-10-2007 02:16PM

Taking for example the Champions League 2nd round tie between Liverpool and Barcelona, we have Johnny Giles, Eamon Dunphy and Liam Brady as our match experts, the A-Team of RTE football. Before the match we hear comments from Eamon Dunphy talking about the Barcelona team and their young player, Lionel Messi. He quotes “Now that’s a real footballer, unlike Cristiano Ronaldo”. I’m sorry Eamon, but what does Cristiano Ronaldo have to do with either Liverpool’s or Barcelona’s team for the match? Even though his comment is already irrelevant, it is also just plain wrong. Ronaldo has scored 16 Premier League goals and 2 league goals so far this season. Messi has scored 6 league goals (including a hat trick against Real Madrid) and 1 European goal. Both players play on the same position for their team (attacking right winger) and both players frequently get their game. Ronaldo also has one of the highest assist rates in the Premier League, whereas Messi doesn’t even feature in the top 10 in La Liga in Spain. Why then must Dunphy say this? What sense does it make and what is its purpose?

The reason I believe, seems to just to be to upset certain viewers and keep others amused. It bears no relevance for the match in question, but it does go along with Dunphy’s blatant anti- English football stance. For years now he has been telling us how the Premier League isn’t all its hyped up to be (hype, a favorite word of Mr. Dunphy) and how this reflects in England’s national side. Any attack against a player who is “hyped” is a good thing for Dunphy as it helps to prove his fairytale that English football is just all hype. Would business men around the world be willing to pay the reported £40 million price tag for Ronaldo if he was just all hype? Do business men not do their research before handing over such vast sums of money? Are they all just sucked in by the “hype” of Sky Sports and the Premier League? Doubtful. The fact is that 3 Premier League teams are in the Quarter- Finals of the Champions League and all 3 have very good chances of going on and lifting the trophy. The myth is that in La Liga football is of a higher and better class than in England, almost a form of football snobbery. The argument being that the top four teams in English football are just so far ahead of the rest of the pack. Is this not true in La Liga also? Barcelona, Real Madrid, Valencia and current high lifers – Sevilla leading the pack. As far as the Spanish National side is concerned, they are infamous bottlers who failed to get out of their group in Euro 2004 and in the 2006 World Cup they whimpered out to France (3-1) in the second round. This is much the same as England’s previous tournaments where the team seemed to bottle it and under-perform in crucial matches.

The point of this is that these seemingly minor comments constitute for a lot more then just a simple off the cuff remark. They are from a man who seems more interested in getting his name in the paper for both good and bad reasons and to attempt to enforce his opinion of football upon the fans. It is now the year 2007, 85 years after Irish independence from British rule, yet we see our main broadcaster allow anti- British comments (albeit, only anti- British football comments) interfere with viewing and analysis of a sport. It is an extremely tabloid-esque way to broadcast to the public and shows little or no sense of principle. Of course the ratings are constantly high for these programs and the controversy surrounding the panel makes people tune in more, not to get the relevant information, but to wait to hear what is going to be said next. Is this how national broadcasters justify misinformation and shoddy analysis?

Of course, if it’s not Eamon Dunphy standing on his soap box preaching to anyone that will listen to him that makes you want to change channel, it could be the two accomplices. Johnny Giles is a celebrated Irish footballer of fantastic pedigree who was also a fantastic Football pundit. Over the past three years though his high standards have really begun to deteriorate. It is as if Eamon Dunphy has finally bent Giles into becoming an extremely pessimistic pundit who really doesn’t care for any match he watches. He seems tired and his opinions and contributions to the analysis of the game are much more negative then what they once were. Liverpool knock out Barcelona (the current champions) of one of the world’s most prestigious tournaments, the Champions League and what does Giles think? He thinks it wasn’t that good a match and that neither team deserved to go through. Well that’s just fantastic. Liverpool become only the second team ever in English history to go to the Neu Camp and win and he thinks neither team deserve to go through? If you aren’t excited about the sport you’re analyzing and are also broadcasting to thousands of homes then maybe you need to think about your current profession.

Messi is of course awesome and those stats about him were right at the time of writing.

cson · 03-10-2007 02:20PM

Holy dead thread resurrection Batman!

emc2 · 03-10-2007 04:45PM

justfortherecor wrote:

"Would ya let him drive the train to Cork, Bill?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2riImtF0tw0

QUOTE]

I love this one, he goes on about needing experience and training but what experience and training does he have to do TV and Radio Journalism?

aidan24326 · 03-10-2007 05:22PM

Dunphy at least speaks his mind, right or wrong. Give me Dunphy Brady and Giles any day over the bland nothing 'analysis' that we get on some of the other channels, ITV being particularly bad. And Jamie Redknapp on Sky, inspiring stuff. Sky Sports even get match analysts that are connected with the clubs who are actually playing, guaranteeing that they can't/won't be totally honest in what they're saying.

Like someone else said he was the first media pundit to come out and openly say that he doubted Michelle Smith's integrity, at a time when she was still the golden girl of Ireland and he was widely vilified for saying it. He may not always be right but he will call a spade a spade as he sees it and ultimately that's what pundits are supposed to do, not fobbing you off with the sort of drivel we hear on the English channels.

EDIT: admittedly he has lost the plot a little on Ronaldo. I would actually love to see Ronaldo score a hat-trick in the champions league final just to see what Dunphy would say.

Jazzy · 03-10-2007 05:23PM

eamonn dunphy gets paid liscence payers money to tell lies

Mr Alan · 03-10-2007 05:26PM

and he also kicks babies

Pepe LeFrits · 03-10-2007 05:38PM

Dunphy is the Howard Stern of football punditry.

Smegball · 03-10-2007 05:41PM

Eamon Dunphy is the marmite of football punditry. Love or loathe him you have to laugh at the entertainment he provides and gives a far more interesting analysis than most other pundits.

Necronomicon · 03-10-2007 05:41PM

A part of me likes to tune into RTE to get the blunt analysis, but at this stage Dunphy just has vendettas which get old. Swipe after swipe on Ronaldo - fair enough, he thinks he's over-rated, plenty of people do, but I don't think he's ever thrown him a compliment, even in a season where he scored 23 goals from the right wing. His Ronaldo rants really get old. I didn't see the analysis last night, but if he was attacking Rio like people have said, then he must have been watching another game.

I miss Rodney Marsh on Sky. He was as blunt as they come, but he was a lot more intelligent than Dunphy.

ROCKMAN · 03-10-2007 05:48PM

aidan24326 wrote:

Dunphy at least speaks his mind, right or wrong. Give me Dunphy Brady and Giles any day over the bland nothing 'analysis' that we get on some of the other channels, ITV being particularly bad. And Jamie Redknapp on Sky, inspiring stuff. Sky Sports even get match analysts that are connected with the clubs who are actually playing, guaranteeing that they can't/won't be totally honest in what they're saying.

Like someone else said he was the first media pundit to come out and openly say that he doubted Michelle Smith's integrity, at a time when she was still the golden girl of Ireland and he was widely vilified for saying it. He may not always be right but he will call a spade a spade as he sees it and ultimately that's what pundits are supposed to do, not fobbing you off with the sort of drivel we hear on the English channels.

EDIT: admittedly he has lost the plot a little on Ronaldo. I would actually love to see Ronaldo score a hat-trick in the champions league final just to see
what Dunphy would say.

Would have to say I agree with you up to a point. Your post is definitely true for his first few years as a TV pundit. However I feel that over the last few years he sometimes makes statements just to be controversial .And the man is not stupid the more controversy = more $$$$$$$

Ruskie4Rent · 03-10-2007 06:34PM

fred funk }{ wrote:

I have to disagree with some of you boys, I actually like Houghton and tend to agree with most things he says. The Dunph is pure entertainment nothing else, his lack of knowledge of football is comical but you gota love him.

Yuk. Houghton is the worst. In nearly every game he manages to prove he hasn't a clue. Also, he never says he was wrong about something. Like when there's a foul, he'd say it was a dive, then another camera angle would prove that it wasn't. Still a dive according to Ray.
I'd happily see his wages go to dunphy.

leninbenjamin · 03-10-2007 06:34PM

Despite all the antics, generalisations and general repulsiveness I still think Dunphy is a better analyst than a lot of the high profile idiots out there... Gray and Redknapp on Sky, Shearer on the BBC, and everyone on Setanta and TV3 are some examples who have much worse generalisations and cliches, they just say it in a much more bland fashion so as not to piss people off.

as DesF says at least he says it how he sees it, and he makes for more entertaining watching.

this thread should be kept alive though for purposes of DunphyWatch though. an archive of all the ridiculous things he comes out with

Ruskie4Rent · 03-10-2007 06:38PM

aidan24326 wrote:

Sky Sports even get match analysts that are connected with the clubs who are actually playing, guaranteeing that they can't/won't be totally honest in what they're saying.
.

Well Brady is involved with Arsenal, but in fairness to him, i think he knowingly steers clear of talking too much about them in detail to avoid sounding biased.

leninbenjamin · 03-10-2007 06:41PM

Ruskie4Rent wrote:

Well Brady is involved with Arsenal, but in fairness to him, i think he knowingly steers clear of talking to much about them in detail to avoid sounding biased.

Brady would be an analyst for Arsenal's opposition by the standards of Sky.

d22ontour · 03-10-2007 07:22PM

Some of the comments from the clips are hilarious.How dare you talk about english football/ers like that.Down with this sort of thing !!!

Jazzy · 03-10-2007 07:44PM

"eamonn dunphy is the marmite of football punditry"
"eamonn dunphy is the Howard Stern of football"

no & no,
if anything he is the Paris Hilton of pundits. he shouldnt be a pundit, but he is. he is more famous for drinking in Lillies and his various spats and the only way he will make a note on the punditry world is by funny quotes and purposely controversial opinions that are more designed to attack a player/country/club then to actually analyse the game of football in front of his eyes.

as far as im concerned, anyone that is a fan of dunphy or actually thinks he is some sort of ok pundit just doesnt know football and are more into the soap opera side of things. all he does is spit out lies and then drivels on about how crap everyone is compared to kaka/messi/keane.

he will still get ratings tho as there are idiots out there who still believe hes "telling the harsh truth as controversial as it may be cos he dont take sh1t from no1". nevermind the fact that hes constantly proved wrong, we can whitewash over that sure.

spose the only upside to his existence on the telly that its great fun to do impressions of him

Ruskie4Rent · 03-10-2007 07:54PM

Jazzy wrote:

no & no,
if anything he is the Paris Hilton of pundits. he shouldnt be a pundit, but he is. he is more famous for drinking in Lillies and his various spats and the only way he will make a note on the punditry world is by funny quotes and purposely controversial opinions that are more designed to attack a player/country/club then to actually analyse the game of football in front of his eyes.
as far as im concerned, anyone that is a fan of dunphy or actually thinks he is some sort of ok pundit just doesnt know football

He's also been a great journalist/writer/radio presenter. Controversial he might be, but to say he's more famous for drinkin in lillies, and that fans of his don't know football is just silly.

Jazzy · 03-10-2007 09:59PM

most of his "writings" in the past 5 years have been rambling followed by counter-rambling as his predictions go horribly awry. he writes pretty much the same nonsense he talks on the telly. I remember the ads for him during the world cup - "you want to really know what I think of the England national side? buy the Star"... cha' right hes a good journalist or a role model for any aspiring reporters. hes still got his readers though, cos "he speaks the truth no matter what cos hes controversial and hard hitting". Bill O Reilly in America is controversial and hard hitting, but that is the only thing he is and hes one of the most "successful" journo's about (watch The O Reilly Factor on Fox News if you want to see success

).
Just cos Dunphy might sell alot doesnt make him any use, same for his radio ratings. He'll bring an audience cos he is quite good at being controversial but whereas Howard Stern got away with it cos he was actually a good DJ and had a point to prove, Dunphy just has vandetta's to settle and leagues/countries to snipe at.

Ill say it again, if you are a fan of Dunphy's because of his ability to analyse football, then you dont know what you are on about

leninbenjamin · 03-10-2007 10:11PM

Jazzy wrote:

Ill say it again, if you are a fan of Dunphy's because of his ability to analyse football, then you dont know what you are on about

no, you're missing the point entirely. the only reason we would call ourselves "fans" (and i wouldn't go that far personally) of Dunphy is because of a lack of a viable alternative. put it this way, Dunphy,as misguided or not as his opinions are, at least attempts attempts to critically analyse a match. On the other hand, Jamie Redknapp and co. deliver platitude after platitude and meaningless clichés.

Jazzy · 03-10-2007 10:54PM

redknapp, alan shearer and anyone on itv are obviously terrible... there is no reason to listen to any of them except for comedy. Dunphy goes under the guise of being legitimate, but in reality he belongs on the red tops and similar thinking tv channels, not our national broadcaster which pay him our money.
Dunphy is as good a pundit as redknapp when it comes to analysing the game, i know dunphy knows more about footy then poor jamie but Dunphy's lies and attitude put him down there with the dregs.
I have no doubt that if the man actually did his job and used facts and watnot then he would be a very good pundit as he has some fire and opinion about him... but alas he doesnt, he thinks its better to slag off a young Portuguese player who scored 23 goals from midfield last season while simultaneously picking up the player of the season award from the league and his club...

Ruskie4Rent · 04-10-2007 12:07AM

Jazzy wrote:

most of his "writings" in the past 5 years have been rambling followed by counter-rambling as his predictions go horribly awry. he writes pretty much the same nonsense he talks on the telly. I remember the ads for him during the world cup - "you want to really know what I think of the England national side? buy the Star"... cha' right hes a good journalist or a role model for any aspiring reporters. hes still got his readers though, cos "he speaks the truth no matter what cos hes controversial and hard hitting". Bill O Reilly in America is controversial and hard hitting, but that is the only thing he is and hes one of the most "successful" journo's about (watch The O Reilly Factor on Fox News if you want to see success ).
Just cos Dunphy might sell alot doesnt make him any use, same for his radio ratings. He'll bring an audience cos he is quite good at being controversial but whereas Howard Stern got away with it cos he was actually a good DJ and had a point to prove, Dunphy just has vandetta's to settle and leagues/countries to snipe at.

Ill say it again, if you are a fan of Dunphy's because of his ability to analyse football, then you dont know what you are on about

I rarely agree with him, but i'll still listen to him, regardless of how blatantly wrong he usually is. He does sometimes comes out with some interesting insights.
And i'm sure any aspiring football journo has read "Only a game?".

Helix · 04-10-2007 12:10AM

lets face it, if given the choice between dunphy, hanson, and redknapp, dunphy wins every time for the entertainment factor

PHB · 04-10-2007 12:11AM

Fair enough, but you can get both, like Souness, or that Spanish guy, or any of the lads on Soccer Saturday are interesting enough. I'd rather watch Andy Gray to be honest.

Dunphy the tv pundit

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