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dre is d best rapper on d planet!agree r disagree??

  • 21-05-2006 9:36am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭


    dre has been d best 4 15yrs nd is stil d best.wat do u guys tink???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭Rollo Tamasi


    i think you should have never left your box....get back in your box!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 433 ✭✭me and the biz


    dre has been d best 4 15yrs nd is stil d best.wat do u guys tink???


    Eh... No


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭neacy69


    eh no
    if you knew anything about rap/hip hop you would know that dre is most cetainly not the most or even one of the best rapppers....he is although the best rap/hip hop producer in the world.
    You need example:
    The Chronic Album- absolute legendary album feck all rapping done by dre id say 60% rapping done by snoop the beats and underlyin track produced by dre were unbelieveable
    2001- Same thing really cept snoop/eminem and the rest of aftermath/death row records doin all the rapping and dre producing the unbelieveable beats and tracks

    thisis my opinion and you know anything bout rap/hiphop the you would certainly agree


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭aftermathcrew


    u make a good point lad.guess i was mixed up,best producer alrite.whos ur fav rapper den?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭aftermathcrew


    i think you should have never left your box....get back in your box!
    calm it man,it was only a question.maybe a misguided question, but a question


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭aftermathcrew


    neacy69 wrote:
    eh no
    if you knew anything about rap/hip hop you would know that dre is most cetainly not the most or even one of the best rapppers....he is although the best rap/hip hop producer in the world.
    You need example:
    The Chronic Album- absolute legendary album feck all rapping done by dre id say 60% rapping done by snoop the beats and underlyin track produced by dre were unbelieveable
    2001- Same thing really cept snoop/eminem and the rest of aftermath/death row records doin all the rapping and dre producing the unbelieveable beats and tracks

    thisis my opinion and you know anything bout rap/hiphop the you would certainly agree
    i hav to agree wit u.d beats produced 4 the chronic aswel as 2001 were pretty legend!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 169 ✭✭N05H3AD


    dre has been d best 4 15yrs nd is stil d best.wat do u guys tink???

    wat is wrong with you, there are so many rappers out there you cannot possibly say one rapper is the best :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭Rollo Tamasi


    some of my fav include Roots (its a group i know), Mos Def, Common and De La Soul


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭aftermathcrew


    N05H3AD wrote:
    wat is wrong with you, there are so many rappers out there you cannot possibly say one rapper is the best :mad:
    av u got a fav man???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 169 ✭✭N05H3AD


    av u got a fav man???

    will not say in case orizio starts to bully me again :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    We speak the English language on this forum,and so does the thread starter unless he wants a certain mod to start editing his posts.

    Now,as much as I would like to start bullying a few people on this thread ( ;) ),Dr Dre lacks the consistency or prolifency of a DJ Premier or a Rizah and barely reaches my top ten.Doggystyle was classic no doubt,but The Chronic is overrated.Same for 2001.As an MC he is weak,he doesn't even write his own rhymes for christ sake.Very basic flow,very boring imo.And right now,desite Aftermath's success there are still a few producers who are better commercially then him.
    some of my fav include Roots (its a group i know), Mos Def, Common and De La Soul

    Yes I'm sure the thread starter will love those groups. ;)


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    <Personal attacks are against the rules of this forum>


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭aftermathcrew


    <Personal attacks are against the rules of this forum>
    looks like someone never heard of SARCASM!!!!!!!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 425 ✭✭StephenInsane


    u r rite man, dre is d bst raper on dis planet! hez betta then eminem 4 sure eminem is sad whit boy, cant rap! gotta do my hmewrk, talk2u tomrw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,503 ✭✭✭Makaveli


    looks like someone never heard of SARCASM!!!!!!!!!!!!


    As if anybody is going to believe you were trying to be sarcastic.
    Looks like someone was pwnd!!!1!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭Rollo Tamasi


    u r rite man, dre is d bst raper on dis planet! hez betta then eminem 4 sure eminem is sad whit boy, cant rap! gotta do my hmewrk, talk2u tomrw.

    wurd to ya mutha! dre'z got dem skills fo show!
    i'm rich beeeatchh!
    Yes I'm sure the thread starter will love those groups.

    never heard of them judging by his username no doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    Lay off of the trolling(and that includes text talk and using sarcasm to get a reaction)and personal attacks before I close this thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 433 ✭✭me and the biz


    Damn, I misread a post and thought someone was taking a shot at me... Ah well I'll keep most of what I was going to post.


    "dre is d best rapper on d planet"

    something he most certainly is not, one of the best and most successful producers, yes. "agree r disagree??" I disagree, there are a ton of rappers with better and more innovative flows, concepts, subject matters and vocabulary than Dre.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 169 ✭✭N05H3AD


    Orizio wrote:
    ,but The Chronic is overrated.Same for 2001.

    how dare you say that 2001 is overrated, it is the best Dr.Dre album (and indeed one of my favourite albums) of all time!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 169 ✭✭N05H3AD


    Orizio wrote:
    Lay off of the trolling(and that includes text talk and using sarcasm to get a reaction)and personal attacks before I close this thread.

    wait a minute, did you say that you would close this thread for people being using sarcasm to get a reaction, looks like we have a hypocrite here, just take a look at "The best rapper in G-Unit" thread and look at the sarcastic comments Orizio made towards my taste in rap music and me liking Young Buck!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,503 ✭✭✭Makaveli


    I'd have called them condescending rather than sarcastic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭ciaran13


    2001 is not overrated it is simply a classic album.
    also wats ur proof dat dre doesnt write his own rhymes.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    N05H3AD wrote:
    wait a minute, did you say that you would close this thread for people being using sarcasm to get a reaction, looks like we have a hypocrite here, just take a look at "The best rapper in G-Unit" thread and look at the sarcastic comments Orizio made towards my taste in rap music and me liking Young Buck!

    That wasn't sarcasm.It was my way of expressing my dislike of anyone saying such a rapper could be a Hip-Hop 'legend'.

    And more importantly it wasn't being sarcastic so as to invite a reaction from the forums other posters,like aftermathcrew has done.If he is actually being sarcastic,which I doubt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    ciaran13 wrote:
    2001 is not overrated it is simply a classic album.
    also wats ur proof dat dre doesnt write his own rhymes.....

    A lack of decent MC's makes its far from a classic imo.You disagree,fair enough.

    Its well known that Ice Cube used to write NWA's lyrics,and that Dre has always relied on ghostwriters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,503 ✭✭✭Makaveli


    ciaran13 wrote:
    also wats ur proof dat dre doesnt write his own rhymes.....


    It's well known that most of his lyrics are ghost written. The writers on 2001 were Jay-Z, Royce da 5'9, Eminem, Hittman, Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, and Mad Skillz.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 433 ✭✭me and the biz


    ciaran13 wrote:
    2001 is not overrated it is simply a classic album.
    also wats ur proof dat dre doesnt write his own rhymes.....

    Uhm check the credits in your album sleave?! There's the proof. You'll see a number of different names under the writing credits.

    Also I remember Daz Dillinger saying a while ago something that pissed him off was when they were making Dogg Food Dre would come in the studio and change one or two little things on the song and put his name on it. Just something that came into my head there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭aftermathcrew


    Orizio wrote:
    That wasn't sarcasm.It was my way of expressing my dislike of anyone saying such a rapper could be a Hip-Hop 'legend'.

    And more importantly it wasn't being sarcastic so as to invite a reaction from the forums other posters,like aftermathcrew has done.If he is actually being sarcastic,which I doubt.
    i'm not trying to invite a reaction!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭David19


    Orizio wrote:
    And right now,desite Aftermath's success there are still a few producers who are better commercially then him.

    Name a producer who's been as successful as Dre for as long as he has? The only person I can think of is Timbaland, He hasn't been around as long as Dre but he does produce more songs. Those two charge more for their beats than any other producers for a reason. I'm not necessarily saying he's my favourite but his commercial success is unquestionable. He's probably top 3 for me. His use of real instruments and session players give his beats a certain quality that other producers don't have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    David19 wrote:
    Name a producer who's been as successful as Dre for as long as he has? The only person I can think of is Timbaland, He hasn't been around as long as Dre but he does produce more songs. Those two charge more for their beats than any other producers for a reason. I'm not necessarily saying he's my favourite but his commercial success is unquestionable. He's probably top 3 for me. His use of real instruments and session players give his beats a certain quality that other producers don't have.

    DJ Premier of course.

    The problem I have with Dre is that he simply hasn't put out the same amounts of music that the likes of Premo,Pete Rock or RZA has.He has managed to reinvent himself a few times now and thats very impressive,but the three I already mentioned are just better imo.Certainly Premo and RZA are on a class of their own when it comes to producing.

    From a commercial point of view,right now I would argue that the Neptunes,Kanye and even Scott Storch are more relevent that Dre.The Neptunes have been running hte commercial side of Hip-Hop for years now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭David19


    Orizio wrote:
    DJ Premier of course.

    The problem I have with Dre is that he simply hasn't put out the same amounts of music that the likes of Premo,Pete Rock or RZA has.He has managed to reinvent himself a few times now and thats very impressive,but the three I already mentioned are just better imo.Certainly Premo and RZA are on a class of their own when it comes to producing.

    From a commercial point of view,right now I would argue that the Neptunes,Kanye and even Scott Storch are more relevent that Dre.The Neptunes have been running hte commercial side of Hip-Hop for years now.

    DJ Premier doesn't compare to Dre from a commercial point of view. The albums Dre produces sell millions, the albums Premier produces don't. His music has had a bigger impact I think(although its close). Hence, he's more successful. I'm a big fan of Premier though.

    Well I agree Dre doesn't actually put out that many songs. He doesn't need to I guess, he makes his money off the albums he produces. For the record I agree RZA is probably better. I don't think I'd put the other two above Dre though(not that they're rubbish or anything, they'd run him close).

    Look at the sales from Dr. Dre produced albums in the last few years(end of page): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dre

    Most of these are off the back of at least 1 Dre single. I don't think Kanye, Storch or the neptunes can compete with that. Storch is of course a product of Dre.

    With Busta Ryhmes, The Game, 50 and Dre all to drop records soon it looks like he'll be at the top for a while yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,672 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Oh man, can the mods please start handing out bans for the text-speak, its infuriating!

    Back to the thread, without a shadow of a doubt Dre cannot be classed as the best rapper on the planet! As said before, i don't think he'd figure he'd appear in my top 50 if we are talking about it purely from an MC perspective.

    There's no doubt he's a better producer than rapper and while i did like the Chronic (wouldn't say love it now), i found 2001 overlong and with the exception of a few nice beats and tight production, to be quite poor.

    He's stayed on top for so long imo through being an excellent businessman, and essentially by managing to make pop music but retain some credibility.

    Primo doesn't make as commercially successful music as Dre, but i don't think that qualifies dre as a better producer than him. I'd take a primo produced album over Dre's any time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,449 ✭✭✭evil_seed


    Here's a thought...
    Has Dre been accepting credit for all the production, even though its mostly a team effort. Scott Storch works with Dre an awful lot and has done for years but never got any credit until he started doin his own work. And if you notice, his and Dre's production are very similar. Maybe Storch developed the sound and Dre took the credit.
    Just a thought.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭ciaran13


    Uhm check the credits in your album sleave?! There's the proof. You'll see a number of different names under the writing credits.

    the reason theres differnt names there is because many people had verses on each song you fukin dummy.


    saying it is "well known" is not a fact!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,460 ✭✭✭Orizio


    DJ Premier doesn't compare to Dre from a commercial point of view. The albums Dre produces sell millions, the albums Premier produces don't. His music has had a bigger impact I think(although its close). Hence, he's more successful. I'm a big fan of Premier though.

    Well I agree Dre doesn't actually put out that many songs. He doesn't need to I guess, he makes his money off the albums he produces. For the record I agree RZA is probably better. I don't think I'd put the other two above Dre though(not that they're rubbish or anything, they'd run him close).

    Look at the sales from Dr. Dre produced albums in the last few years(end of page): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Dre

    Umm I never said he was.All round,Premo has been in the game longer,has put out more music and is widely seen as Hip-Hop's greatest producer.Now from a commercial point of view he isn't touching Dre,but as an all round producer he wins with ease.
    Most of these are off the back of at least 1 Dre single. I don't think Kanye, Storch or the neptunes can compete with that. Storch is of course a product of Dre.

    With Busta Ryhmes, The Game, 50 and Dre all to drop records soon it looks like he'll be at the top for a while yet.

    There just seems to be a lot more from the Neptunes then Dre from a commercial point of view these days.While neither have made an 'In Da Club',both SS and the Neptuunes have had more hits then Dre over the last 5 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,503 ✭✭✭Makaveli


    ciaran13 wrote:
    the reason theres differnt names there is because many people had verses on each song you fukin dummy.


    saying it is "well known" is not a fact!!!


    A) Banned for personal abuse.

    B) The nature of ghost writing is you don't put your name to it but you write it for someone else. So get a clue.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 433 ✭✭me and the biz


    ciaran13 wrote:
    the reason theres differnt names there is because many people had verses on each song you fukin dummy.


    saying it is "well known" is not a fact!!!


    "A Nigga wit a gun" writing credits - DOC and Snoop (Note Dre isn't credited at all)

    Number of guests on it = zero

    One example, I can't be bothered looking for more. He doesn't write alot of his lyrics, alot of rappers don't, they have ghostwriters. (Fat Joe another example. He writes only about 25% of his rhymes) That was the point I was making. No need to get so defensive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭fatal


    get the **** outta here...dre the best???no ****in way..........dre and best in the same line cannot be said


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 495 ✭✭Sajan


    David19 wrote:
    Name a producer who's been as successful as Dre for as long as he has?
    Rick Rubin..
    Prince Paul.

    And whats the definition of success here? Dollars or quality tunes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭David19


    Orizio wrote:
    Umm I never said he was.All round,Premo has been in the game longer,has put out more music and is widely seen as Hip-Hop's greatest producer.Now from a commercial point of view he isn't touching Dre,but as an all round producer he wins with ease.

    What I was originally replying to was you saying there's more successful commercial producers than Dre, that's what I meant by successful.

    Has Premo been making records longer than Dre? The first album Dre produced was in 1987, the first DJ Premier produced album was in 1989. Also Dre produced his first song in 1984. By 1990 Dre had 5 albums produced, Premier had one. I'm not aware of anything by Premier pre-1989. From their discographies I think Dre has put out more.

    Dj Premier's best period was around 94-96 when he contributed to some of the best rap albums ever e.g both of Biggie's, Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt. Dr. Dre's moment has been from 1989(Straight Outta Compton) to beyond now(Detox, new Game and Busta). He's stayed relevant and on top for far longer.
    There just seems to be a lot more from the Neptunes then Dre from a commercial point of view these days.While neither have made an 'In Da Club',both SS and the Neptuunes have had more hits then Dre over the last 5 years.

    I don't think Storch has. Neptunes have put out more songs recently. It's not a fair comparison though, as Dre has always been more of an album producer than someone who will produce a single for anyone with money(ala neptunes). From the link I posted I reckon sales wise its better to have Dre producing for you than the Neptunes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭David19


    evil_seed wrote:
    Here's a thought...
    Has Dre been accepting credit for all the production, even though its mostly a team effort. Scott Storch works with Dre an awful lot and has done for years but never got any credit until he started doin his own work. And if you notice, his and Dre's production are very similar. Maybe Storch developed the sound and Dre took the credit.
    Just a thought.

    When I talk about Dre I mean him and his team, which sometimes includes storch. If you read the credits he gives everyone credit.

    Primo doesn't make as commercially successful music as Dre, but i don't think that qualifies dre as a better producer than him. I'd take a primo produced album over Dre's any time

    It's not about who you'd prefer merely who's more successful.
    Sajan wrote:
    Rick Rubin..
    Prince Paul.

    And whats the definition of success here? Dollars or quality tunes?

    Apart from a couple of songs Rubin has been producing rock and metal for years. He's not relevant. Premier and Dre are better and more succesful than Prince Paul IMO.

    Success = quality of tunes, impact on hip hop, relevance throughout a long period, longevity and if you're talking about commercial success(as I originally was) then sales too.

    Anyway one thing most of us can agree on, he's not the best rapper!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 495 ✭✭Sajan


    A couple of songs... Are yah mad.

    Radio - LL Cool J (1985)
    Licensed to Ill - Beastie Boys (1986)
    Raising Hell - Run-D.M.C. (1986)
    Tougher Than Leather - Run-D.M.C. (1988)
    Amethyst Rock Star - Saul Williams (2001)

    And as for his overall impact on Hip Hop..

    Emm. Def jam ring a few bells? Possibly the first Hip Hop label.. This man was one of the pioneers of Hp Hop..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭David19


    Im aware of who Rick Rubin is. As I said he hasn't really been relevant to hip hop in the last few years(apart from a couple of songs). He's been producing rock and metal for the last 20 years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rubin

    Given what I define as successful I don't think he's quite up there with Dre. By the way I never said Rubin didn't have an impact on hip hop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    evil_seed wrote:
    Here's a thought...
    Has Dre been accepting credit for all the production, even though its mostly a team effort. Scott Storch works with Dre an awful lot and has done for years but never got any credit until he started doin his own work. And if you notice, his and Dre's production are very similar. Maybe Storch developed the sound and Dre took the credit.
    Just a thought.

    I know that Scott Stortch was behind the brilliant piano intro bit on Still Dre, which was largely overlooked. Also, Mike Elizondo was largely responsible for In Da Club. I think its fair to say Dre produced them though, he made some of the beat, and he got guys like Mike and Scott who can play piano/guitar.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 169 ✭✭N05H3AD


    Orizio wrote:
    That wasn't sarcasm.It was my way of expressing my dislike of anyone saying such a rapper could be a Hip-Hop 'legend'.

    And more importantly it wasn't being sarcastic so as to invite a reaction from the forums other posters,like aftermathcrew has done.If he is actually being sarcastic,which I doubt.

    no but you were being sarcastic (a.k.a annoying as hell) to get me to react otherwise you wouldn't have called me "dude" a second time. also i didn't call him a hip-hop legend i said he was a legend which i explained to you already.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 169 ✭✭N05H3AD


    fatal wrote:
    get the **** outta here...dre the best???no ****in way..........dre and best in the same line cannot be said

    Dre isn't the best, there said it! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭aftermathcrew


    N05H3AD wrote:
    wat is wrong with you, there are so many rappers out there you cannot possibly say one rapper is the best :mad:
    of course you can.who's your favourite rapper then????:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 169 ✭✭N05H3AD


    of course you can.who's your favourite rapper then????:D
    there's a difference between your own personal fav and saying one is the best, my fav, personally is Dr.Dre with King T and YB close behind


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭aftermathcrew


    N05H3AD wrote:
    there's a difference between your own personal fav and saying one is the best, my fav, personally is Dr.Dre with King T and YB close behind
    i know.i asked you a question.it wasn't the same question as on the top of this thread


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 169 ✭✭N05H3AD


    of course you can.
    you said that you can say one rapper is the best and the proof is on the page.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭aftermathcrew


    N05H3AD wrote:
    you said that you can say one rapper is the best and the proof is on the page.
    i know.i was explaining to you what exactly i meant!!


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