IRL: 2X15 - "Maternity Leave" [**SPOILERS WITHIN**]

Haven't a Clue wrote:

Are there two sets of others because I think that the zeke ones are different to the ones that whisper about the place and go around in their bare feet

I would have thought they are the same people.
Didn't Kate find the ragged clothing and fake beard in a locker in the hideout where Claire had been kept?

Evil_Bilbo wrote:

was hoping to see henry in the other's hideout in the flashbacks. There's defo somethin up with him - reckon he must be an other.

Where are the others now? No sign of em in their hatch, but some of their clothes / gear is still there - what are they at?

if they want you to think he is an other , then he must be anything but an other....

Very good episode. A second hatch really heats things up.

2 things I didn't like about it:
Locke being upset because the prisoner asked if Jack calls the shots. Seems un-Locke-like to be wound up that easy.

Claire being one annoying beatch, all she does is scream and whine. Almost up there with Michael's "They took my boy"!
Emilie de Ravin, the actress playing her, must get really angry every time she get a new script, "Oh sh!t, not more screaming and whining"

biko wrote:

Very good episode. A second hatch really heats things up.

What about the place the tailies were hiding out in, where Mr. Eko found his bible, is that not a hatch, i.e. is last night's not the 3rd hatch ?

I'm getting worried that the diverse strands may never be resolved satisfactorily. But I'm not giving up .. yet.

Earthhorse wrote:

The Locke of this season is not the same man we got to know in season one. But then, all the characters in Lost are slightly inconsistent. Sayid has reneged on his promise not to torture again, and Jack, who objected most to holding Henry Gale hostage, now seems to want to do so for as long as it takes.

I think Jack objected to torture, not holding him hostage. He's taking the middle road between "he's a normal guy" and "he's an other".
I'm really getting disapointed with Locke. Gale's play at the end was so horribly blatent, like something from a bad sitcom, having Locke fall for it an a big way just made me cringe.

Loved it it up there with the best.

It seems Mr. Eko likes symbolism ie.not talkin for 40 days and his boshing stick with all the scripture on it and the two little bits in his beard that he cut off.

I think they(others) abanndoned the hatch because Claire got away maybe they felt the were comprimised. As for the conversation between the other and Ethan about you were supposed to get a list of them and then take her. It appears that maybe some of them were to be taken like the tallies. It appears that Ethan only half did his job.

As for the play made by Henry nice I would have done the same I know it could have been seen coming for outer space. I still would have done it.

Faith wrote:

Jack did his best to help her, but she just flounced off in a sulk.

TBH I think if I was in the same situation as her with my first child, stranded on a desert island with no medical equipment I think I'd be freakin out as well. Most first time mothers freak out if there child gurgles slightly differently than usually. I'd be more worried about the fact that my child doesn't look like a 2 month old baby, did anyone else notice that Claire's baby is not 2 months old he looks more like a 4 month old

I know it looks like I just copied and pasted some of the US version butI didn't.

Ok POWER people POWER where is it coming from Kate look at the ceiling and saw the light and said "I'll turn the power on" or something similar. well where the hell is it coming from. If there was a generator it would need diesel or fuel to run it. First Law of Physics: Energy can not be made or destroyed, but it can be changed from one form to another. So where is the energy coming from. I know there's no overhead powerlines surely the losties or we would have seen them. we did see a "cable" coming for the ocean on to the island but what is/was it. This is really starting to annoy me. The power has to be coming from somewhere.

trishw78 wrote:

Ok POWER people POWER where is it coming from Kate look at the ceiling and saw the light and said "I'll turn the power on" or something similar. well where the hell is it coming from. If there was a generator it would need diesel or fuel to run it. First Law of Physics: Energy can not be made or destroyed, but it can be changed from one form to another. So where is the energy coming from. I know there's no overhead powerlines surely the losties or we would have seen them. we did see a "cable" coming for the ocean on to the island but what is/was it. This is really starting to annoy me. The power has to be coming from somewhere.

When Jack and Sayid are crawling around under the floor trying to find away through the sealed magnetic hallway, Sayid suggests there's a geothermal generator. Back in like the third or fourth episode.

You mean the door that had what appeared to be "Escape Hatch" on it? I assumed that was another exit from that station similar to how The Swan has two points of entry.

After watching it last night, I to thought they might have fled the station after Claire escaped in case she or Danielle found their way back to them. However, given the state of disrepair it was in when the women evetually found it and that Kate found "Zeke's" false beard which we saw him wearing only a few episodes I go, I think they may have abandoned it more recently than that - in last week's episode.

If the counter were installed after the incident Marvin Candle mentions in the orientation film, perhaps all it does is ensure that The Swan is still manned and, if it does hit zero, it alerts the other 5 stations that another incident is imminent and initiates a self-destruct sequence in each station. The 5 glyphs on the counter could correspond to each of the 5 hatches; if you read back to my posts in the "Everybody Hates Hugo" topic, I theorised that each station's symbol corresponded to a star in the Apollo constellation so the glyphs could, respectively, represent Ophiuchus, Crater, Orion, Corvus & Sagitta with the self-destruct sequence in each initiated as each glyph locks in. By entering the code, though, Locke would have cancelled the sequence. That's just by theory, though, but it does explain the state the new station was in and why the Others apparently left in such a rush that "Zeke" left his disguise behind.

As for the whispers, I'm thinking that maybe the monster is the source of them. The whispers we've been distinguish have always tied in to the past of the survivor who has heard them (Shannon hearing Boone's voice, James hearing Frank Duckett) and when Eko confronted the cloud, we heard whispers and swa images from his past within it.

gazzer wrote:

Has anybody seen the movie The Village?? Well if you have do you think that there is something similar going on in Lost where the Dharma employees are dressing up as the 'Others' to create the illusion of something sinister out in the jungle...

Unlike LOST I cracked The Village in about ten minutes! I thought it was a great episode, best of teh season so far

I know that it has been said in the US forum but it was something that I thought was very interesting indeedy.

The fact that the counter went all the way down in the last episode may have triggered an alarm in the 3rd Hatch(Claire's flashback) so the others had to evacuate in a hurry.That may explain the tipped over fridge(by grabbing the vaccine roughly it fell over)and the costumes and beards etc being left behind.

Definitely a great peisode. The second shaft was a good twist to the story. I'm kinda confused even more so about DHARMA. Why did they abandon this second shaft? And if they are in that shaft, why is Station 3 kept isolated from anyone else? Something fishy there.

I liked that we found Alex. It's a nice way to go with her Rosseau's stroy. I gave this ep a 10 for simply one of the best this series.

JBoyle4eva wrote:

I liked that we found Alex.

Or are we just being led to assume it was Alex? Nobody mentions her name at any stage, all we have to go on is Danielle's reaction to Claire's very vague description of her. Danielle hasn't seen her for 16 years so she doesn't know what she looks like now and we don't know how many children the Others have taken over the years.

loon wrote:

the door that they entered by was covered by greenery.. obviously to initially disguise it...

.. the swan station has two doors, the hatch and the other door as it were..

so does the new one have two? if so it would explain why first door is still 'hidden'

Pretty sure I saw a door marked "ESCAPE HATCH(?)" down there so perhaps that's how they got out.

prospect wrote:

I don't mean to be pedantic, or overly specific, but;

Did you see the effort if took Kate & Claire to lift the 'fridge'. I would imagine it would have required a great deal of force to knock it over.

Well, if we're to go by what we saw of Ethan last season, the Others apparently posess super strength. If they were scrambling to get out, we don't kno what they may have bumped into, knocked over, etc. in their rush.

Sofaspud wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Jack kick the proverbials out of him at the end of that episode?

He only had this "super strength" when he was fighting Charlie, and with all due respect, Charlie ain't exactly a rhino . . .

Jack did do a number on him, but it was a 3 or 4 man ambush I seem to remember. I think Metv said they have super strength because I think Ethan lifted Charlie up by the neck with one hand. Charlie isn't that big, but that still wouldn't be easy to do. Dunno if I'd stretch to super strength though.

Fair enough if they were in a rush they might have knocked over the fridge while rushing to get out but that wouldnt explain why the first set of lights were hanging of the roof like they were...
I think it could be something to with (as mentioned before) that because the clock went past zero in the other hatch it set some type of self destruct of in this hatch only for it to stop when the clock was reset.
Unless of course they messed the place up on purpose which could be very easily possible!!

homerjk wrote:

I think it could be something to with (as mentioned before) that because the clock went past zero in the other hatch it set some type of self destruct of in this hatch only for it to stop when the clock was reset.

As I put forward on the last page

My assumption of Ethan's "superhuman abilities" comes not only from the fact that he lifted Charlie off the ground with one hand but also that he managed to overpower both Charlie and Claire and drag them off to the WWPDP station something we now know he definitely did alone.

Sofaspud wrote:

Well, a tiny recovering heroin addict and a heavily pregnant woman, call me crazy, I don't think it'd take superman to take them on.

Maybe so, but carrying them both over rough terrain over a good distance? I'm not saying he was a superman just that his strength was way above average for a man his size.