Season 2, Episode 10: "Pegasus"

CuLT · 26-09-2005 10:56PM

Lemming wrote:

Arrrrrrrgh!! Use the spoiler tags man!!! Shhhhhh

Anyone who's been keeping track of this forum knows not to read the thread before watching the ep

Fantastic ep, agree that the first bit of music was surprisingly jarring, but the thumping oacey end made amends.

That really was some of the best tv I've seen in a long time.

Peace · 27-09-2005 08:40AM

The music was super pants which was suprising seeing that the music is usually very good.

The building and test flight of the pheonix was all way to fast. Now they are sending out on missions? Yeah... ok... In RL these things take years, not weeks. It would have been better if the pheonix was built 4/5 ep's ago and they were testing it right through.

How the hell is Adama going to whop admiral biatch... i don't know seeing as the other battlestar is more than a match for Adams ship.

Intersting episode on its way... i would forsee them getting in a few new cast members anyway.

Rev Hellfire · 27-09-2005 08:53AM

You forget that adama and galactica have the advantage over the peagus in that

they have the script writers on their side

Peace · 27-09-2005 09:11AM

Rev Hellfire wrote:

You forget that adama and galactica have the advantage over the peagus in that
they have the script writers on their side

If the script writers be on our side, then who be on theirs?

Rev Hellfire · 27-09-2005 09:37AM

God dawn it use spoiler tags not everyone knows the script writers are on our side and that starbuck is a cylon.

Peace · 27-09-2005 09:41AM

Rev Hellfire wrote:

and that starbuck is a cylon.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

spooydermot · 27-09-2005 09:43AM

Rev Hellfire wrote:

and that starbuck is a cylon.

see, you think thats funny now.....but just you wait!

ButcherOfNog · 27-09-2005 12:53PM

deconstruct wrote:

On Galactica vs Pegasus

A few facts to consider
Galactica
- re-armed at anchorage station
- possible half compliment

Pegasus
- lost 700 hands on deck in initial attack
- was being refitted
- possible lower arnament manifesto

Yes, but we know that Pegasus was re-supplying Galactica for a joint mission against the Cylons, so its possible that Adama now has a couple of nukes again. Plus the positioning of the 2 ships gives the Galactica the advantage at the start of any fight between the 2 Battlestars.

BKtje · 27-09-2005 01:06PM

While a superior ship is all well and good, if your not so hot on the tactical/crew side of things your going to be in trouble.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a cop out like the scouts coming back with a load of Cylon on their tail so the 2 ships concentrate on that and the Admiral dies during the battle leaving Adama in command or something.

Cina · 27-09-2005 02:58PM

don't forget that Apollo, Starbuck and Baltar are all on the Pegasus. Apollo and Starbuck will certainly cause some problems for the Pegasus fleet which will help Galactica in the flight. I'm sure Helo and the Chief will find something to do!

iguana · 27-09-2005 03:06PM

Haruspex wrote:

Can't say enough good things about this episode really. The pacing was frenetic due to it having been cut down from a 1 hour episode to the 44 or so minutes we got. (As revealed on Ron Moore's podcast for the episode).

Was a bit disappointed when I heard that but it must have been forced upon them by the network. The good news is the 1 hour version will be released as part of the Season 2 DVD set!

Ah! I guess I will hold judgement until I get to see the extended version, one of my first feelings after watching it was that the storyline was very accelerated. Pacing seems to be the one problem with this series. Some episodes seem to have too much filler, which would be fine except that other episodes seem rushed.

madrab wrote:

baltar was brilliant in this episode, but i wonder if their were any cameras in the cell ie was he overheard stating that he loved/still loves a cylon

I wondered about this, it was a much more technologically advanced ship, the prison areas would surely contain some form of recording/monitoring device. And unless the Pegasus crew have managed to work out all twelve cylon identities (and know there are only twelve), then for all they know anyone is a cylon so they shouldn't trust anyone alone with the cylon prisoner.

But it was a really great scene, and showed great insight into Baltar. It's great to see him used for something other than comedy. If it weren’t for Six Degrees of Separation I would be nearly convinced that Galatica Six was his minds way of dealing with his grief/guilt/torment due to the destruction of the colonies.

I have a feeling that Pegasus Six may have been a sleeper agent. I don't know why it just seems likely; I hope we get more of her back-story in the second half of the series.

I think that the reaction of Galatica Six to her counterpart's treatment is very interesting. Similar to Pregnant Boomer's reaction to what happened to Galactica Boomer. They seem to have very little empathy for the anger the humans would be feeling.

G Boomer shot Adama but Preg Boomer is shocked that someone on Galatica would respond by shooting G Boomer. In the same way G Six must be aware of the way female survivors on the colonies are treated but is shocked at the treatment of Peg Six. I can understand how it would be shocking as each cylon is finding out about a cylon which is a part of them, but surely they can't be surprised that the humans would treat them badly?

I hope Cain isn't a cylon; it would be a bit of a cop out. The bad human is a cylon after all. And it will make Adama's decision to rebel too black and white, hey she was the enemy all along. I think she is just arrogant and overcompensating for running from the initial cylon attack. If anyone on the Pegasus is a cylon my vote is for their Deck Chief, something isn't quite right about him.

Anyone else think Olmos' acting when he hears that Tyrol and Helo are to be executed was fantastic? He looks like he's in agony. It's the best scene in the episode imo.

Oh and yes, the music at the start was appalling. It distracted too much from what should have been a great scene.

MisterAnarchy · 27-09-2005 03:14PM

I'm sure the President of the Colonies has the power to promote Military ranks as is the case in most countries.
All she has to do is promote Adama to Admiral or higher and that will put Kain in her place.
Another thing that is strange is that Kain is far too young to be an Admiral.
Its impossible to rise to such a high rank at such a young age.

Nuttzz · 27-09-2005 06:07PM

MisterAnarchy wrote:

Its impossible to rise to such a high rank at such a young age.

Michael Collins did alright in his 32 years

The music at the start was crap, however the music at the end and the camera work while Cain & Adama are having their "talk" was well done too.

Looking forward the dark and dreary January now!!

Stark · 27-09-2005 06:23PM

MisterAnarchy wrote:

I'm sure the President of the Colonies has the power to promote Military ranks as is the case in most countries.
All she has to do is promote Adama to Admiral or higher and that will put Kain in her place.
Another thing that is strange is that Kain is far too young to be an Admiral.
Its impossible to rise to such a high rank at such a young age.

I doubt Cain would respect Roslin's decision if Roslin decided to promote Adama. Cain does seem very young to be an Admiral, I guess she may be exceptionally apt and/or power hungry or the writers could have used artistic licence in wanting a character who was higher rank than Adama but still using Michelle Forbes for the role.

Goodshape · 27-09-2005 06:28PM

Apparently they wanted Jane Seymour (Dr. Quinn) orignally (forget where I read that.. thought it was this thread, aparently not). The age would have been better, but I think Michelle Forbes did a grand job.

Edit: the IMDB trivia page.

Jane Seymour was offered the role of Admiral Nelena Cain. When she turned down the offer, Ronald D. Moore offered the role to Michelle Forbes and she accepted.

iguana · 27-09-2005 07:56PM

Stark wrote:

I doubt Cain would respect Roslin's decision if Roslin decided to promote Adama.

And Rosalin agreed not to interfere with the military in the pilot. It was one of the conditions under which Adama agreed to recoginse her as president. It was also why he had her arrested when she encouraged Starbuck to go to Caprica at the end of season 1.

Fenster · 27-09-2005 08:05PM

Stark wrote:

I doubt Cain would respect Roslin's decision if Roslin decided to promote Adama. Cain does seem very young to be an Admiral, I guess she may be exceptionally apt and/or power hungry or the writers could have used artistic licence in wanting a character who was higher rank than Adama but still using Michelle Forbes for the role.

It was mentioned in the podcast that one of the scenes cut concerned Cain being fast-tracked to admiral.

Feydakeen · 28-09-2005 07:45AM

Anyone find it strange the Pegasus escaped Cylons and still is able to attack them, while it's obvious that battlestar MUST have network computers? And if it does have networked computers....I would get Sharon out of the brig plug her wrist in and shut down the Pegasus vipers and battlestar....

Or is that a cop-out too??

Rev Hellfire · 28-09-2005 09:02AM

Well since the Peagus was in the process of a refit, its not unreasonable to assume that may not have been fully 'online'. Added to which it didnt try to flight but rather did a blind jump. Within this period it must have uncovered the cylon viruses and removed them.
As for not getting infected itself, unlike the galactica it was intended to be netword and would be more resistent to such attacks, whereas the galactica had a network thrown together at the last minute.

Feydakeen · 28-09-2005 09:23AM

MMmmmmm so, Pegasus lost 700 peeps on first attack, and hasn't got the advantage to have a Super PC genius like Baltar aboard (and even he couldn't remove the viruses, Sharon had to do it) and somehow they made the Pegaus resistant to Cylon viruses....

Anyway, in the original series the Pegasus joined forces with Galactica and attacked two basestars and dissapeared after the fight...destroyed, lost...who knows? Seems unlikely they'll follow that line now....or maybe they will...

Rev Hellfire · 28-09-2005 10:10AM

Baltar never said he couldn't do it. It was that they are very hard to get rid of, added to which they had a timelimit which the peagus may not have had.

Dear god I'm starting to sound like the comic book store guy, jesus people look at us what have we come.

Feydakeen · 28-09-2005 02:53PM

Mmmm no timelimit?
Performing an uncoordinated jump while 700 crew members are missing, and the station is being nuked? And wouldn't the Cylons have initiated the virus-attack on all those ships and the station before launching their nukes??? (unless they wanted it to escape...

)
And that crap about plotting the course to systems with resources and therefore finding the Galactica...mmmm...what are the chances of that happening?

I still say there's somehing Fishy about the Pegasus...

iguana · 28-09-2005 04:46PM

Feydakeen wrote:

Pegasus lost 700 peeps on first attack

Maybe it's just me but I had assumed the 700 crew lost were from several ships that Cain was the Admiral of and not just Pegasus. This is what happens when your entire knowledge of military rank comes from science fiction

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Nuttzz · 28-09-2005 05:13PM

Feydakeen wrote:

And wouldn't the Cylons have initiated the virus-attack on all those ships and the station before launching their nukes???

It was comming in for a major refit (3 months) perhaps baltars dodgy systems hadnt been installed on it or its vipers (they are all the new types)

Haruspex · 28-09-2005 08:03PM

Nuttzz wrote:

It was comming in for a major refit (3 months) perhaps baltars dodgy systems hadnt been installed on it or its vipers (they are all the new types)

Don't mean to be the Podcast Preacher Man in this thread

but.... Ron Moore (around 10 minutes into the podcast) does mention that as Pegasus was going in for an overhaul, most if not all of its computers were offline and the network had been shut down!

Nuttzz · 28-09-2005 09:12PM

Haruspex wrote:

Ron Moore (around 10 minutes into the podcast) does mention that as Pegasus was going in for an overhaul,

so does admiral cain

Feydakeen · 29-09-2005 11:04AM

Yep, major overhaul, all PC networks down, and in the middle of a huge Nuke attack they make a jump in eeehhh...how many seconds would they have before a nuke or a full barrage missile attack hit them???? :rolleyes:

BKtje · 29-09-2005 01:19PM

Maybe they weren't targeted first?

They did say something like 3 battlestars and a load of smaller ships were taken out by the time they escaped. They also said that they did a blind jump(ie not knowing where they were gonna end up) so i guess it doesnt take very long to randomly hit a few numbers.

User45701 · 30-09-2005 05:47PM

i loved this epsidoe as much as i loved last episode in season 1 more so actually this was one of the best sci fi ive seen in a long time and probbley the best battlestar

one thing i would request of u all is that you not mention the orgianl series since not all ppl have seen it just say orgianl series spoiler and just spoiler tag whatever u want to say

Scruff · 05-10-2005 10:35AM

Great episode! Finally caught up with the rest of ye!

Didnt notice the music at al tbh, must be tone deaf.

Was interesting to see the contrast between the way the Galactica which is beholden to a civilian government is begin run V the Peagasus which baxically has been given free reign as a military vessel.

The one thing i wanted asked was how they were not disabled by the cylons. Ye may have a point about them not being infected as they were only about to go for an overhaul.

I think the President and the quorm of 12 are going to step in between the 2 ships and a big of reorganising of the command structure will be in order. Though i dont see the Peagasus be around after the next episode or two. Either it'll be destroyed in a attack on\by cylons or it'll leave Galactica to protect the fleet and go back to attacking the cylons.

Also I think there will be a problem with the stealth ship they built. Just before the Chief ran off to save his ex cylon lover he asked where it was gone. When he found out Starbuck took it he went "Oh *****...." Remember the chief from the Pegasus wanted to have a look at it and was saying that he was an aeronautics engineer? he designed the engines and thought they had been fazed out and also wanted to hood. hmmmm.....

seems also the Peagasus drafted any survivors it found. Am surprised that the only person the Galactica got working on it from the civilian population in Baltar.

He was great, ye can see how he is now becoming more and more sympathetic to the cylons since he saw who Preagasus' 6 was treated.

Roll on January!

Oh and can someone post a link to the podcast yer on about??

Season 2, Episode 10: "Pegasus"

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