Season 2, Episode 10: "Pegasus"

Fenster

...aka, The One Everyone Was Looking Forward To But Will Flame To Hell Regardless. This is the final BSG episode until 2005, when Sky will show episode 11. So after this, the board will be hibernating until the end of October when season 2 starts on Sky.

stag39

yawn, cousins are so slooooooooow this time probably take till october to arrive in one peice!!

oh and fester you must be a year behind!! it is 2005...did no one tell you?

Fenster

Doh

Venom

The only bad thing about this episode is we have to wait till next year for the second part Very high drama episode with fantastic acting from all. Cain/Adama scenes were great and the build up to the confrintation was very well done.

The Pegasus look awesome but could of done with more screen time and that new ship seems very interesting

Sidane

Good episode but rated it Okay because the music in the first 10 minutes pissed me off. It was just totally wrong, utterly cheesy.

Nice cliffhanger at the end, sucks having to wait so long for part 2

jor el

I'm going to go with Amazing on this one. The whole build up was great but I had kind of forgotton about this being a two parter and to end where it did I just screamed "B@STERD" at the telly. That Admiral is some piece of work, I wonder if she's a Cylon? That was my first thought about her anyway, she seems rather cold. Do you reckon it was true what the XO said about her shooting the previous XO. I know Tigh thought it was true anyway.

What are we to do till Januwary now?

Goodshape

What's the story with the timeing here for the next episode? are Sky going to get it before the US, after they show the first 10? Seem's strange that they would get the show before the home crowd.

Fenster

We'll get the second half of the series before the US.

That episode seemed too short. -_-

The music was really annoying in bits, but the last few minutes really made up for it.

ixoy

Ah happy to see everyone else thought there was something crappy with the music this week - was it a different composer or something? The first bit was awful but the final music run was nice.

The episode itself was good, and I loved Michelle Forbe's role and the more brutal regime of the Pegasus. What I would have preferred though was a slower buildup to the fight with the Pegasus. The ship would have been better to have been introduced 2-3 episodes ago and led up to this conflict. As it stands it loses some of the emotional/dramatic impact it could have had. As a result of the music, and this, I'm rating it "great" instead of "amazing"...

ButcherOfNog

I screamed NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! at the TV there now, very fast paced episode, i'd have thought any confrontation woulda built up slowly but as usual BSG delivers what wasn't expected, great show, can't wait till January.

Praetorian

Rated it amazing despite agreeing with you all; the terrible music at the start of the episode was annoying. I also fully agree with ixoy; the Pegasus shoud have been a friend to Galactica for at least a few episodes. Lots of OMG moments in that one

Tazzle

a bit of a what the funk at the music, but it regardless it was a great episode. Pity about the wait. Good thing the first series is very rewatchable.

irishshogun

Excuse me if I repeat what others have said, but I've jsut finished watching it and it was Fr Ackin amazing, one of the best episodes I have ever seen, of any show, holy **** the tension... cant believe I've gotta wait 3 months for the conclusion!! dammitt!!.. gonna read other thoughts now..hadda share that first, doubt I'm alone in this view tho.

irishshogun

Sorry for double posting, I know I should have read the other reviews first but didnt want to be emotionally swayed by others first. Music at the start, felt like battlestar elevator, it so sucked. the Admiral definatly legged it at the start of the cylon attack on caprica and now shes over compensating, Also she prob shot her 2nd cos he knew she ran and was gonna say it when she made that other crap decision. It wasnt a mutiny just a disagreement for *****s sake.. she so mentally unstable.. I also like ( and I'm prob reading too much into it) the diff approach to prisoner rights, the human dignity vs the beat and rape approach, do you become worse than your agressor cos you are at war with them?.. dont need to state the obvious influences on that one. The acting as usual was brilliant, guyus, the mans a class actor. too much too good, gonna watch atlantis now have a feelin I'm gonna be disapointed after this.

Stark

Great episode definitely. I didn't mind the opening music too much even though it was noticeable. I did enjoy the Baltar/Six moments. It certainly was a different side to Six than the usual "super-confident, super-sexy temptress" that we tend to see. I wonder was the Six model on Pegasus a self-aware agent or a sleeper agent?

Haruspex

Can't say enough good things about this episode really. The pacing was frenetic due to it having been cut down from a 1 hour episode to the 44 or so minutes we got. (As revealed on Ron Moore's podcast for the episode).

Was a bit disappointed when I heard that but it must have been forced upon them by the network. The good news is the 1 hour version will be released as part of the Season 2 DVD set!

Michelle Forbes was fantastic and really held her own against Olmos. Loved her as Ensign Ro on TNG and she delivers with Cain as well.

The scenes between Baltar and Gina (as Moore names this version of Six in the podcast) were emotionally charged and you could almost empathise with how he must feel to see the woman he loves (or at least a copy of her) so violated and abused.

I also agree that the opening music was jarring - I'm surprised as they usually are great at these aspects but I think they got it musically right again at the end for the dramatic face off between Adama and Cain.

Can't wait for part two!

spooydermot

looks like BSG is setting a precendent for serious end of season cliff hangers, i remember seeing the end of season 1 when it was broadcast on Sky1 and shouting 'holy fu*k' at the TV, first time a tv show really surprised me.....

can't wait for the follow up...but i'll have to....

and yeah, the music was pants

savemejebus

That was unreal, the music let it down but it was right up there with the best of farscape for premium sci fi entertainment. The story, acting and camerawork just reeked of awsomeness.

I have also got to say that i was well chuffed to see the not to the origina (78)l galactica in the design of the pegasus.

The dehumanisation of the pegasus crew (looking back on raping gina with happy memories) was interesting and unsettling at the same time and really helped me overlook the speed of adamas about face towards cain.

Best episode since 33 I think

stag39

jor el wrote:

I'm going to go with Amazing on this one. The whole build up was great but I had kind of forgotton about this being a two parter and to end where it did I just screamed "B@STERD" at the telly. That Admiral is some piece of work, I wonder if she's a Cylon? That was my first thought about her anyway, she seems rather cold. Do you reckon it was true what the XO said about her shooting the previous XO. I know Tigh thought it was true anyway.

What are we to do till Januwary now?

i also thought kane is a cylon too!!! :cool:
fantastic episode!!!!! roll on sky1

madrab

wow is all i can say, its up there with b5's Severed Dreams in terms of internal confict

yes i would have preferred a few episodes of leading up to this but hey, its still one of the best 44 mins of scifi i have seen in a long time

baltar was brilliant in this episode, but i wonder if their were any cameras in the cell ie was he overheard stating that he loved/still loves a cylon

the treatment of 6 on the pegasus was brutal & savage, along with the attempted rape on galactica

i didnt have a problem with the music, i did notice it and think it was a bit out of place but it didnt bother me


utter fantastic but such a long wait till ep 11 ahh well guess ill rewatch farscape

MisterAnarchy

Excellent episode.
What a great show this is.
I enjoyed the music in this episode,thought it was very good.
Cant wait till Jan... :eek:

Goodshape

Amazing. One of the best episodes yet I think; can't wait to see the hour long version -- and part two! damn breaks :-/

Thought the music was grand myself, though I skimmed a few comments here before watching it so I was expecting the worst.

I agree to an extent that it may have been better to have the Pegasus show up a few episodes ago, but at the same time the paceing here was great -- you were more or less waiting for something to happen from the beginning but they didn't give you the time to think about it -- just BAM! ****, fan, etc.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with regards the 'reassigned' officers.. perticularly Baltar, who probably won't want to give up his woman. Maybe they'll take her on board Galactica.

I also liked the contrast in the treatment of the cylon prisoners.. the show can seem like a bit of an exercise in justification at times; nice to see them also exploring themes of equality. Probably just the trekie in me shining through.

irishshogun

Am I the only one who thinks she legged it when the cylons initially attacked Caprica?
Anyway for those of ye with cousins stateside I recommend 'Theshold' to hold ye over till Jan, its upto ep 3 and I've found it the best of the new series that have started, surface and invasion are prety Neh! at least so far.

Johnny Storm

I didn't really like this ep as much as most of the rest of you. I really like Michelle Forbes (great as Ro Laran and lets not forget her as the sexy coroner in Homicide: Life on the streets) but I felt her charactor in this ep was a little bit one-dimensional. She was a baddy from the off with no redeeming features. Galactica has usually been a little bit more subtle than this. As other have posted if they had introduced Pegasus a few eps ago they could have built up a more nuanced portrait of Kain.

OK - whats going to happen in the concluding episode? One little raptor with a few Marines on board and a few fighters arn't going to pose much of a problem for a battlestar. Will Kain go for the nuclear option? Will Adama and/or El Prez get her to see sense? Will the civilian fleet intervene? Will the Cylons attack at the key moment? I don't care what happens as long as its not a cop-out and based on Battlestar's performance to date I don't think it will be.

stakey

On the conclusion

I see the cylon fleet jumping in on their position, Cain has to be removed (she's nuts), galactica and pegasus will have to put scrap aside and take on cylon fleet.

On Galactica vs Pegasus

A few facts to consider

Galactica

- re-armed at anchorage station
- possible half compliment

Pegasus

- lost 700 hands on deck in initial attack
- was being refitted
- possible lower arnament manifesto

Lemming

Amazing episode. Rather dark.

The dehumanised crew of the Pegasus give a stark contrast to the Galactica and I wonder if there is the possibility of Cain being a cylon with the task of trying to see how far humans can be dehumanised.

Vokes

Voted Great. Lost a point for the music - it really was jarring. Hopefully RDM will take onboard some of the feedback from it for the next ep.

About the unknown Cylon ship? Ive seen on other forums, its been suggested that it might be some kind of big-ass Router for forwarding Cylon consciences back to Caprica. Any other theories, ppl?

savemejebus

my first thoughts were "router/relay station" but i think its way too big for that. Maybe it's a fully fledged cylon factory/breeding ground or perhaps a terraforming/colony ship?

Syth

Lemming wrote:

The dehumanised crew of the Pegasus give a stark contrast to the Galactica and I wonder if there is the possibility of Cain being a cylon with the task of trying to see how far humans can be dehumanised.

It's possible, but I wouldn't be suprised if she was just a human. Military brutality would not be suprising.

Stark

Lemming wrote:

Amazing episode. Rather dark.

The dehumanised crew of the Pegasus give a stark contrast to the Galactica and I wonder if there is the possibility of Cain being a cylon with the task of trying to see how far humans can be dehumanised.

If Cain was a cylon, why would she allow the No. 6 model in their brig to be tortured? I know there are probably different cylon agendas in play, but even if Cain was a psycho fellow-cylon torturing breed of cylon, I'm sure the Six in Baltar's head would have pointed that out to him so he could take the bitch down.

Lemming

Arrrrrrrgh!! Use the spoiler tags man!!! Shhhhhh

CuLT

Lemming wrote:

Arrrrrrrgh!! Use the spoiler tags man!!! Shhhhhh

Anyone who's been keeping track of this forum knows not to read the thread before watching the ep


Fantastic ep, agree that the first bit of music was surprisingly jarring, but the thumping oacey end made amends.

That really was some of the best tv I've seen in a long time.

Peace

The music was super pants which was suprising seeing that the music is usually very good.

The building and test flight of the pheonix was all way to fast. Now they are sending out on missions? Yeah... ok... In RL these things take years, not weeks. It would have been better if the pheonix was built 4/5 ep's ago and they were testing it right through.

How the hell is Adama going to whop admiral biatch... i don't know seeing as the other battlestar is more than a match for Adams ship.

Intersting episode on its way... i would forsee them getting in a few new cast members anyway.

Rev Hellfire

You forget that adama and galactica have the advantage over the peagus in that

they have the script writers on their side

Peace

Rev Hellfire wrote:

You forget that adama and galactica have the advantage over the peagus in that

they have the script writers on their side

If the script writers be on our side, then who be on theirs?

Rev Hellfire

God dawn it use spoiler tags not everyone knows the script writers are on our side and that starbuck is a cylon.

Peace

Rev Hellfire wrote:

and that starbuck is a cylon.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

spooydermot

Rev Hellfire wrote:

and that starbuck is a cylon.

see, you think thats funny now.....but just you wait!

ButcherOfNog

deconstruct wrote:

On Galactica vs Pegasus

A few facts to consider
Galactica
- re-armed at anchorage station
- possible half compliment

Pegasus
- lost 700 hands on deck in initial attack
- was being refitted
- possible lower arnament manifesto

Yes, but we know that Pegasus was re-supplying Galactica for a joint mission against the Cylons, so its possible that Adama now has a couple of nukes again. Plus the positioning of the 2 ships gives the Galactica the advantage at the start of any fight between the 2 Battlestars.

BKtje

While a superior ship is all well and good, if your not so hot on the tactical/crew side of things your going to be in trouble.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was a cop out like the scouts coming back with a load of Cylon on their tail so the 2 ships concentrate on that and the Admiral dies during the battle leaving Adama in command or something.

Cina

don't forget that Apollo, Starbuck and Baltar are all on the Pegasus. Apollo and Starbuck will certainly cause some problems for the Pegasus fleet which will help Galactica in the flight. I'm sure Helo and the Chief will find something to do!

iguana

Haruspex wrote:

Can't say enough good things about this episode really. The pacing was frenetic due to it having been cut down from a 1 hour episode to the 44 or so minutes we got. (As revealed on Ron Moore's podcast for the episode).

Was a bit disappointed when I heard that but it must have been forced upon them by the network. The good news is the 1 hour version will be released as part of the Season 2 DVD set!

Ah! I guess I will hold judgement until I get to see the extended version, one of my first feelings after watching it was that the storyline was very accelerated. Pacing seems to be the one problem with this series. Some episodes seem to have too much filler, which would be fine except that other episodes seem rushed.

madrab wrote:

baltar was brilliant in this episode, but i wonder if their were any cameras in the cell ie was he overheard stating that he loved/still loves a cylon

I wondered about this, it was a much more technologically advanced ship, the prison areas would surely contain some form of recording/monitoring device. And unless the Pegasus crew have managed to work out all twelve cylon identities (and know there are only twelve), then for all they know anyone is a cylon so they shouldn't trust anyone alone with the cylon prisoner.

But it was a really great scene, and showed great insight into Baltar. It's great to see him used for something other than comedy. If it weren’t for Six Degrees of Separation I would be nearly convinced that Galatica Six was his minds way of dealing with his grief/guilt/torment due to the destruction of the colonies.

I have a feeling that Pegasus Six may have been a sleeper agent. I don't know why it just seems likely; I hope we get more of her back-story in the second half of the series.

I think that the reaction of Galatica Six to her counterpart's treatment is very interesting. Similar to Pregnant Boomer's reaction to what happened to Galactica Boomer. They seem to have very little empathy for the anger the humans would be feeling.

G Boomer shot Adama but Preg Boomer is shocked that someone on Galatica would respond by shooting G Boomer. In the same way G Six must be aware of the way female survivors on the colonies are treated but is shocked at the treatment of Peg Six. I can understand how it would be shocking as each cylon is finding out about a cylon which is a part of them, but surely they can't be surprised that the humans would treat them badly?

I hope Cain isn't a cylon; it would be a bit of a cop out. The bad human is a cylon after all. And it will make Adama's decision to rebel too black and white, hey she was the enemy all along. I think she is just arrogant and overcompensating for running from the initial cylon attack. If anyone on the Pegasus is a cylon my vote is for their Deck Chief, something isn't quite right about him.

Anyone else think Olmos' acting when he hears that Tyrol and Helo are to be executed was fantastic? He looks like he's in agony. It's the best scene in the episode imo.

Oh and yes, the music at the start was appalling. It distracted too much from what should have been a great scene.

MisterAnarchy

I'm sure the President of the Colonies has the power to promote Military ranks as is the case in most countries.
All she has to do is promote Adama to Admiral or higher and that will put Kain in her place.
Another thing that is strange is that Kain is far too young to be an Admiral.
Its impossible to rise to such a high rank at such a young age.

Nuttzz

MisterAnarchy wrote:

Its impossible to rise to such a high rank at such a young age.

Michael Collins did alright in his 32 years

The music at the start was crap, however the music at the end and the camera work while Cain & Adama are having their "talk" was well done too.

Looking forward the dark and dreary January now!!

Stark

MisterAnarchy wrote:

I'm sure the President of the Colonies has the power to promote Military ranks as is the case in most countries.
All she has to do is promote Adama to Admiral or higher and that will put Kain in her place.
Another thing that is strange is that Kain is far too young to be an Admiral.
Its impossible to rise to such a high rank at such a young age.

I doubt Cain would respect Roslin's decision if Roslin decided to promote Adama. Cain does seem very young to be an Admiral, I guess she may be exceptionally apt and/or power hungry or the writers could have used artistic licence in wanting a character who was higher rank than Adama but still using Michelle Forbes for the role.

Goodshape

Apparently they wanted Jane Seymour (Dr. Quinn) orignally (forget where I read that.. thought it was this thread, aparently not). The age would have been better, but I think Michelle Forbes did a grand job.

Edit: the IMDB trivia page.

Jane Seymour was offered the role of Admiral Nelena Cain. When she turned down the offer, Ronald D. Moore offered the role to Michelle Forbes and she accepted.

iguana

Stark wrote:

I doubt Cain would respect Roslin's decision if Roslin decided to promote Adama.

And Rosalin agreed not to interfere with the military in the pilot. It was one of the conditions under which Adama agreed to recoginse her as president. It was also why he had her arrested when she encouraged Starbuck to go to Caprica at the end of season 1.

Fenster

Stark wrote:

I doubt Cain would respect Roslin's decision if Roslin decided to promote Adama. Cain does seem very young to be an Admiral, I guess she may be exceptionally apt and/or power hungry or the writers could have used artistic licence in wanting a character who was higher rank than Adama but still using Michelle Forbes for the role.

It was mentioned in the podcast that one of the scenes cut concerned Cain being fast-tracked to admiral.

Feydakeen

Anyone find it strange the Pegasus escaped Cylons and still is able to attack them, while it's obvious that battlestar MUST have network computers? And if it does have networked computers....I would get Sharon out of the brig plug her wrist in and shut down the Pegasus vipers and battlestar....
Or is that a cop-out too??

Rev Hellfire

Well since the Peagus was in the process of a refit, its not unreasonable to assume that may not have been fully 'online'. Added to which it didnt try to flight but rather did a blind jump. Within this period it must have uncovered the cylon viruses and removed them.
As for not getting infected itself, unlike the galactica it was intended to be netword and would be more resistent to such attacks, whereas the galactica had a network thrown together at the last minute.

Feydakeen

MMmmmmm so, Pegasus lost 700 peeps on first attack, and hasn't got the advantage to have a Super PC genius like Baltar aboard (and even he couldn't remove the viruses, Sharon had to do it) and somehow they made the Pegaus resistant to Cylon viruses....

Anyway, in the original series the Pegasus joined forces with Galactica and attacked two basestars and dissapeared after the fight...destroyed, lost...who knows? Seems unlikely they'll follow that line now....or maybe they will...