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2mb for less than €30 allegedly

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  • #52
    IrishMike
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,698 ✭✭✭IrishMike


    RicardoSmith wrote:
    How on earth can you use 12GB in two days? Every two days? How are you getting your 6GB a day at the moment?

    All that rubbish is the major use of the internet???

    I can see instances where you might need a bit download every so often, theres a Service pack, or distro release or a demo or two. But not every day of the year.

    i downloaded 340+ gigs over the month of november ricardo
    all depends on what you want your connection 4 i guess


  • #53
    SkepticOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,718 ✭✭✭SkepticOne


    Getting something quicker is good in itself. I agree with MutantFruit that it will create a desire among many people for larger caps but this does not detract from the benefit of having faster speeds. The only issue I have is with the idea that there is no point in faster speeds without larger caps.


  • #54
    Gone West
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭Gone West


    sorry I took a comment of yours out of context. Guess thats what happens when im filled with "DialupRage"(tm). Im not too bright at spotting sarcasm, either!


  • #55
    Richard Dower
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    RicardoSmith wrote:
    How on earth can you use 12GB in two days? Every two days? How are you getting your 6GB a day at the moment?

    All that rubbish is the major use of the internet???

    I can see instances where you might need a bit download every so often, theres a Service pack, or distro release or a demo or two. But not every day of the year.

    Because the guys using 6GB per day are usually doing something illegal that eats up their cap very quickly. Like downloading pirated material or any number of other "activities".

    Most normal people never approach the cap and would welcome this 2MB offer, despite the 12GB cap.


  • #56
    Steve S
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33 ✭Steve S


    Richard Dower wrote:
    Because the guys using 6GB per day are usually doing something illegal that eats up their cap very quickly. Like downloading pirated material or any number of other "activities".

    They used to say the same thing about CD Burners: they can only be used for illegal activity.

    This charge is false. One reason people--particularly Irish people--might want broadband is to videoconference with friends and family abroad. It is extremely easy to go over the cap with daily videoconferencing.

    But the very premise--that your view of what's 'normal' should dictate the service for everyone--is idiotic.

    What Eircon and the others are involved in is nothing less than soaking their customers while they can. It is my hope that Smart Telecom's offer will finally put an end to that.


  • #57
    Chalk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭Chalk


    same arguments against vcrs too
    what about ipods when you couldnt get itunes here,
    divx dvd players.....
    the list goes on

    just because you cant think of anything legal to do with it doesnt mean there are plenty of people who can think of perfectly good uses for it and cant afford 2-300 euro for an unmetred eircom line


  • #58
    aphex™
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭aphex™


    Steve S wrote:
    This charge is false. One reason people--particularly Irish people--might want broadband is to videoconference with friends and family abroad. It is extremely easy to go over the cap with daily videoconferencing.

    But the very premise--that your view of what's 'normal' should dictate the service for everyone--is idiotic.
    I agree totally, the first thing i'd do if i had this would be to fire up a video conferance with some relations in Japan who i haven't seen in a few years, they have 6mbit for €17 a month.


  • #59
    RicardoSmith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,264 ✭✭✭RicardoSmith


    IrishMike wrote:
    i downloaded 340+ gigs over the month of november ricardo
    all depends on what you want your connection 4 i guess

    I ask you the same questions. What are broadband product are you using to achieve that, and what are you doing that moves so much data.

    I know there are valid reasons why you might want to move a lot of data but no ones posted any yet. Video conferencing to Japan isn't something everyone is going to want to do, and even if you did would you be doing it 24/7 every day of the year? No. Just like using it for CCTV. You're not going to stare at the video for every waking hour are you. You have to eat, sleep, drink etc. Any normal CCTV system only records movement not absolutely everything.

    That said if you want to do it, then fine, find a product that allows you to do it at reasonable cost. Instead of moaning about a product that has a cap. Similarily there is a market for a product with a 2mb line and limited cap. It may not be you, but it does exist.


  • #60
    bealtine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    RicardoSmith wrote:

    I know there are valid reasons why you might want to move a lot of data but no ones posted any yet. Video conferencing to Japan isn't something everyone is going to want to do, and even if you did would you be doing it 24/7 every day

    I'm a (sometimes) dba admin, I move vast quantities of data from my servers here to other
    servers around the place. Sometimes one move can be upto 4Gb at a time.

    I do that very rarely (thankfully only once recently) but it had to be done.


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  • #61
    RicardoSmith
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,264 ✭✭✭RicardoSmith


    bealtine wrote:
    I'm a (sometimes) dba admin, I move vast quantities of data from my servers here to other
    servers around the place. Sometimes one move can be upto 4Gb at a time.

    I do that very rarely (thankfully only once recently) but it had to be done.

    Is this 2mb product for private or business use? Is that relevent?


  • #62
    boyan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1 ✭boyan


    IrishMike wrote:
    i downloaded 340+ gigs over the month of november ricardo
    all depends on what you want your connection 4 i guess

    If you downloaded for a whole month at 1 Mbps _flat_ that would be roughly 325GB. 1Mbps flat would cost your ISP at least 100 EUR. In case your downloading speed is not exactly flat, but jumps to 4 Mbps occasionally, that would cost them at least 200 EUR. This is only costs for buying transit in the UK and/or USA and carrying it over international links to Ireland. If you are paying less than that, your ISP is subsidizing the service.

    Now, if I was buying service from the same ISP as you are and I was paying the same price for less usage, I'd really like to ask that ISP if they can put me on a caped service for less. If they have done their math correctly they should be able to do it, only that they'll have to raise the price you are paying, because they would not have cash to pay for your service.

    In order to survive financially ISPs need to deal with this issue. There are two ways this can be done. One: Bandwidth oversubscription or contention ratios - ISP buys 100 Mbps flat and sells it as 1 Mbps to 4800 users. Users compete for the bandwidth in a fair fashion. Two: traffic caps - ISP buys bandwidth based on usage patterns so that it can deliver full rate service to all customers even at peak times, users are asked to pay for their usage above a predefined monthly cap. Some ISPs would impose both restrictions.
    It seems Magnet is going for traffic caps instead of contention ratios. This means that you will be able to get close to 250 KB/s from your 2 Mbps service from Magnet at any time of the day you wish, any day. This also means that Joe Average will not pay for the unusually high usage of his neighbor's internet connection. If the service offering is implemented properly (which I don't doubt) his neighbor will be able to buy a service that suits him best. He'll have to pay a higer price than Joe though.

    I happen to know something about Magnet. The network they are building allows them to deliver 100Mbps of symentrical bandwidth into each connected house. They use that for TV, Voice and Internet services. The last mile bandwidth and backhaul from the PoPs is capable of filling that pipe up, if the need for that appears. Of course they have costs that they need to cover e.g. International links, transit, sat equipment, content licenses, voice links, servers, software, salaries, office space, links around the place. Everything has a cost associated with it.

    I would consider 2 Mbps, 12 GB numbers preliminary at this stage.

    Cheers,
    Boyan


  • #63
    johncorleone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 81 ✭✭johncorleone


    Finally a sensible post on this forum.


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