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Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,007 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Outside of the busiest pubs, I don't think any pub would benefit. Many pubs don't have Sky (or similiar) and would have to pay an arm and a leg for sports coverage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Card sharing was based on broadcasting the keys to watch a service. With the falling costs of servers and Internet bandwidth. it became possible to rebroadcast entire channels via the Internet. Cheap Android devices allowed people to use these streams to watch programmes.

    The actual enigma2 boxes used were the early adopters to IPTV, before the smart TVs, android boxes or side loaded fire sticks. The CS providers were the first to offer IPTV.

    My first experience of Card Sharing was literally that, sharing cards with friends, family or other people offering a share on IRC rooms. No money changed hands.

    Actually I first set it up as a multi room solution as far as I remember.

    The commercial servers at the time were largely based in Northern Cyprus. You never paid for more than a month at a time for obvious reasons. The service was horrendous and you picked providers to watch the soccer that had a less frequent key change. Then it pretty exploded with providers with actual customer service.

    It's all evolutionary and one big game of cat and mouse.

    Although the Mouse seems firmly on top at minute with the Cat left confused licking his hole.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭dam099


    I think this just shows how exaggerated some of the claims are. I know the Champions League final is a big event but I wouldn't think its total audience is much more than a million. Are we seriously expected to believe that almost everyone watched it on an illegal stream? Its still much easier and reliable for a significant portion of the population to just throw on RTE to watch it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭WoopWooWoo


    people rather listen to the BT commentators and commentary than Rte ones in fairness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭dam099


    True, some people do (my son was one of them, using NowTV though) but I still dont believe a million people did.

    Not sure he will again though, the roar next door when the last penalty was missed was a bit of a spoiler 😁



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    I see sky are hiring for an anti piracy analyst, main part of the spec below, - scrambling around just looking to be doing something tbh.

    • Learn and understand the key aspects of piracy and the methodologies and technology the pirates use to conduct their offending.
    • Gather piracy intelligence from a range of sources and ingest it into our intelligence database.
    • Support the team through the processing of intelligence from ongoing investigations and new targets.
    • Triage and deconflict incoming intelligence.
    • Work up actionable target profiles to bring to Tasking for the investigators.
    • Use the intelligence system to identify patterns, problem behaviours, key individuals and locations.
    • Work closely with other members of the team to produce key intelligence products such as landscape maps, network charts and threat assessments, to allow us priorities at strategic, tactical, and operational levels
    • Learn and understand intelligence grading systems so that intelligence produced is standardized, suitable for dissemination, and aids with prioritization.
    • Identify gaps in our intelligence and produce Intelligence Requests to fill those gaps.
    • Continuously seek to improve the efficiency of our processes and the output of team.
    • Be inquisitive and be comfortable challenging hypothesis and decisions, to ensure that the highest standards are reached.
    • Support and be a part of projects across the department which contribute towards better systems, data, and processes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    it wouldnt surprise me if theres now hundreds of millions of illegal subs across the planet now, the fact that its so relatively easy to setup iptv, and for relatively small change, this is clearly well out of control now, with very little that can be actually done about it, i think rights holders have an extremely serious problem on their hands now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭deezell


    No, not true, VM and RTE commentators preferred, if its a match with an Irish angle, URC, Champions cup, International rugby or football. World Cup too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭fish fingers


    I dunno, I went to the pub to watch the champions league final and i heard Ronnie Whelan talking on Rte. Tk god i couldnt really hear him as it was busy in the pub. Himself and Stephen Kelly are terrible to listen too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭Manc-Red_


    Better Born Lucky Than Rich.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭Banjo Carney


    No way much prefer RTE than McCoist and co on TNT absolute ball aches



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,897 ✭✭✭jmcc


    With the amount they are losing to piracy, can they pay well? :) Seriously though it , jt looks like an ex Garda/Police job.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,616 ✭✭✭wassie


    Based on advances we've seen in in tech in the last few year, I think the future of illegal streaming via IPTV is going to be a very changeable situation with a high-stakes AI arms race.

    The biggest cause of this, as has been discussed here at length, as I see it is the fracturing of the legit streamers forcing consumers to be frustrated with increased hassle, time and expense.

    While enforcement tech has become incredibly sophisticated, piracy also has undergone a massive structural shift. Its gone from a fringe tech hobby into a mainstream, corporate style utility. The high-seas bandits have adopted enterprise level tech using using AI driven scrapers to harvest streaming links, instantly cloning takedown targeted websites or autogenerating subtitles.

    In turn, the streamers & broadcasters are using court approved dynamic injunctions block the IP addresses of pirated streams in real time during live broadcasts. But if a streaming domain gets nerfed, a bot network can often deploy a mirror site across a new domain in less than half an hour from what Ive read….and on goes the whack a mole.

    I think we will continue to see IPTV services become more unstable as streams randomly freeze or drop during high traffic events (think World Cup) with active anti-piracy DDoS style actions.

    So what does this all mean? In my view piracy will not be curtailed while the economic and structural incentivs for consumers to bypass fragmented streaming platforms remain high. I think consolidation in the form of aggregation will increase as we are starting to see a little bit now eg the bundling of services like Sky Disney & Netflix for a single payment. But costs are still too high.

    But I dont think illegal streaming will expand rapidly either. The era of easy cheap, stable, plug and play illegal IPTV is changing as users face increasing friction. Streams cutting out mid-match, payment portals suddenly vanishing or users losing access to paid subs without recourse, and the constant need to update configurations or switch providers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    https://careers.sky.com/jobs

    They get free Sky, so that is worth a bit. One of the sources they will be looking at is this thread. And soccer forums where people moan about Sky pundits when games are on, and they are also boasting about their dodgy boxes.

    "Gather piracy intelligence from a range of sources and ingest it into our intelligence database."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    But I dont think illegal streaming will expand rapidly either. The era of easy cheap, stable, plug and play illegal IPTV is changing as users face increasing friction. Streams cutting out mid-match, payment portals suddenly vanishing or users losing access to paid subs without recourse, and the constant need to update configurations or switch providers.

    Shhhh......



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,917 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,897 ✭✭✭jmcc


    I think that back in the 1990s FACT lso recruited from the same ex-law enforcement pool.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭deezell


    Indo headline today;

    Sky doubles down with legal threat to dodgy-box users who ignored cease-and-desist letters

    TV and internet provider reports ‘positive response’ to its settlement offer, sent to around 200 individuals – but not all recipients signed up

    Really? Someone ignored them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Story here:

    https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/sky-preparing-follow-up-dodgy-34095062

    Another person who ignored legal moves found out that it is not a joke. They will be in court for sure.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/three-dodgy-box-sellers-face-36128723

    "When Mr McBride received a cease and desist letter, he replied in April 2022 saying "Excuse me?. Is this spam or a joke?" Mr Gilmore said, at his request, Mr McBride's Facebook profile was removed. But he created two new profiles, one in his own name and another called "Firesticks Dundalk". In and around mid-2023, when Sky first commenced legal proceedings against him and Ms Thornton, the infringing services ceased."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    sketchy ould game being a reseller alright, some fines on the way



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,990 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Last month, hundreds of dodgy-box users across Ireland received a formal warning letter from Sky through the post. The letter requested recipients to sign a document, committing to a 'legally binding promise' to cease using any Internet Protocol TV service, cautioning that 'firm action' could be taken against those who refuse to comply.

    I very much doubt that is factual.
    The minimum requirement for such reports should be that it is factual and not something imagined.
    The same applies to all those reports, and videos claiming reception of such streams is "stealing".
    No it is not, as anyone with any sense can determine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,860 ✭✭✭SteM


    Yeah, noticed a few halfwits advertising on Adverts there during the week. They are services that won't be around for long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Sky went to court to get Revolut to give over the names. Sky raided Dunbar and have details of the packages bought by those accounts. Which obviously included stolen Sky content. That is enough to take a civil case. It doesn't matter whether they thieves ever accessed the content stolen from Sky. The point is that they bought it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭WoopWooWoo


    Its another thing to prove they actually watched sky on it. Any pub I know streams Bein Sports or other foreign channels and have had the Sky lads around numerous times. Nothing they could do. Same pubs have been showing IPTV for the last 8 or 9 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Possession of stolen goods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭dubrov


    I've heard that when Sky find out they just force the pubs to take out a legitimate subscription.

    They continue to show Bein Sports as it shows all the games including the 3pm ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭jj880


    From the amount of codology during this media campaign so far I'll take these articles and headlines with a pinch of salt.

    There are no numbers given. How many have signed? A "positive response" could mean 1 person signed.

    A Sky spokesperson told the Irish Independent that the company had witnessed a "positive response" to its legal letters and anticipated a "high level of compliance as this process continues"

    Oh they anticipate do they. Well that's that then.

    Remember the goal is for Sky to plant the idea that everyone with a dodgy box is 1 step away from a massive fine or jail. They will spoof and bluff as much as possible as they have up to now.

    Lets see how many end up in court and have to pay anything.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Also in anticipation of non compliance by some:

    "We are now issuing follow-up correspondence to those who have yet to return signed undertakings," he said. "From the outset, our objective has been to resolve these matters quickly and with the co-operation of these individuals.

    "However, where individuals fail to comply, Sky will not hesitate to take further action, including where necessary seeking court injunctions to prevent continued use of illegal IPTV services and pursuing damages for copyright infringement and legal costs." Back in March, the High Court was informed that the names and addresses of over 300 dodgy-box users would be handed over to Sky as part of its ongoing crackdown on the illegal streaming of its content. Sky stated it would settle the issue without resorting to legal action if those using dodgy boxes followed the outlined steps and adhered to the undertakings, which included signing and returning the letter to the company via email or post."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,990 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The property stolen by Dunbar and sold on to the people who got the letters.

    THE HIGH COURT COMMERCIAL-INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AND TECHNOLOGY [2025] IEHC 465 [Record No. 2025/2704P]
    BETWEEN SKY UK LIMITED PLAINTIFF AND DAVID DUNBAR DEFENDANT.



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