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Clampdown on TV 'Dodgy Boxes'

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭jj880


    From what Ive read revolut records had to be produced for a seller who was obviously advertising publicly. Otherwise they could have went to court with a social media post. Sure theres a better chance in a civil case with less evidence but still cant see it happening.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Benedict XVI


    Especially when they are coming with evidence that they bought a dodgy box service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    Exactly. Evidence that you have bought something to allow illegal streaming, evidence that you're inclined to watch that material. Potentially discovery would give combination of location (at home) and posts (social media) of you watching the content....albeit you might have been watching on DAZN etc.

    I dont think sky will necessarily go after end users. But if they were to, I think people underestimate the likelihood of a judge finding for Sky on the basis of balance of probability. Probably depends on the judge to a large extent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There should be a big dodgy box audience in the UK for the Champions League Final. Not FTA on any station there. Broadcasters should be planning to disrupt the streams to annoy as many as possible.

    I think this lad is one of the people on the thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭DXR


    Broadcasters should be planning to disrupt the streams to annoy as many as possible.

    This is the thing, "disrupting" the stream seems to be (currently) the height of their technical capabilities.

    A VPN is the most basic, and minimum effort required to get around that. A VPN can be installed and switched on inside a few minutes with a few clicks from the app stores. Even the most technically inexperienced can master a VPN with minimum effort.

    Broadcasters are most definitely not winning this war as far as I can see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭WoopWooWoo


    I would if i could download it - anti piracy ad 2004 who remembers this? Used to be in the trailors at the cinema.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FtE0S-IyY0



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭wally79




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,007 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    There are hundreds of thousands of residences not paying for their TV licences. A far easier crime to prosecute if you think about it. I see very few of these people getting fined or ending up in jail for what are much more concrete and black and white criminality. I really don't see any judges side on the arm of big business with some shoddy evidence on board, of they even get as far as court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It's the same hundreds of thousands who have a dodgy box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭DXR


    This is where the "tecnophobes" jump to conclusions and assumptions.

    A "dodgy box" subscription - does not necessarily mean that individual is using a television to consume that sub. An IPTV sub = a username and a password to a particular IPTV providers subscription package that grants the paid up user access to the service.

    My subscription (as an example) allows me to log in using Android devices (phone, tablet, and yes - android TV and Nvidia Shield) but I can also use it via my PC, via Windows platform which has a big ass 55" display, and isn't classed as a TV, so no license necessarily required for it.

    There's options for apple users also, but I'm not an apple consumer, so my knowledge of that end of things is limited, but there's definitely an apple app, and also access via apple TV.

    You don't really know what you're yakkig about, do you?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    So there are not hundreds of thousands of households evading the TV licence. They all have the sort of kit you outlined to watch RTE and BBC. And they can use that to watch their dodgy box stuff as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭DXR


    You don't need a conventional television in order to consume RTE or BBC either, anyone with an IPTV sub can equally access the needed apps to use BBC's iPlayer, or RTEs player.

    *Most* likely are watching it ON a television, but the applications used are most likely installed via another piece of hardware - like an android device, apple device, windows etc.

    For clarity, this household does indeed own a few TVs, and we pay the TV license also, but we could in theory ditch the telly later this evening if we wanted, and consume BBC/RTE or the 10s of 1000s of other channels open to us via our IPTV sub without it. (And stop paying the TV license - legitimately)

    For the above reasons, the traditional TV licence, and sky and other television channel providers business models are pretty much dead tbh.

    Take the Arsenal match yesterday as an example, I watched most of it via the "live events" folder within my IPTV sub, it started glitching a bit towards the 90th minute, resulting in me trying a few other channels to get a stable stream. 2/3 minutes later, I had a stable stream via (from memory I think) a New Zealand sports channel.

    If that match was available to me by way of a reasonable price (let's say a 5er) I probably would have bought it, to save the faffing about.

    The TV subscription industry needs a complete business remodeling, because it's dead in its current condition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,825 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    You know the champions league match was available on rte, right? So no dodgy service needed at all. Just an aerial on the roof or the rte player...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,215 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    So let's say you are one of those on the Revolut list. Can't you just say I just sent the guy a present or an error? There's no proof of a business transaction other than money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭DXR


    Yeah - but I wasn't home yesterday, I was at a mates place, who doesn't actually have a telly, not a traditional type of one anyway. RTE app wouldn't wouldn't stream there (he said it's region locked?)

    So I "casted" my IPTV sub to the projector he has set-up .



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    word is that skys minnions went into where the Guy works/worked and served letters on people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭DXR


    Would they even have any jurisdiction to do this? I suspect the people could have rightly told them where to stick their letters.

    I think I read it was a civil case sky took against that guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Civil case in the High Court.

    https://ww2.courts.ie/acc/alfresco/f974cd74-3185-4b52-b59a-d4beb6bf99c5/2025_IEHC_465.pdf/pdf#view=fitH

    The more recent judgement was the follow up where Sky won access to the information from Revolut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,010 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    That's a year old ffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭jj880


    Sometimes he doesnt even read the links he dumps in here. Said so himself.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The €30,000 fine imposed on Dunbar for destroying evidence in comtempt of a court order was supposed to have been paid by last October. The judgement made reference to the Burke / Wilson's Hospital School case in regard to action which can be taken if the fine was not paid. The final part of the courts conclusion sent a warning to other dodgy box operators.

    "100. Finally, as para. 34 of Mr. Gilmore’s first affidavit makes clear, the plaintiff was
    alerted to the defendant’s operation by means of a simple tip-off passed on to the plaintiff by
    the Federation Against Copyright Theft. The plaintiff followed up this tip diligently and
    thoroughly, ultimately leading to the present proceedings and application. Any persons
    currently conducting similar illegal operations, or contemplating the provision of such
    services in the future, should consider carefully how vulnerable such operations are to
    discovery and exposure, with potentially calamitous consequences for the operator."



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nowso


    theres is way he can pay the fines theyd want . if he resells he only making the money minus the costs he payed . and how much of that would he have spent in the meantime



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    I think most would agree its unlikely the government is going to individually prosecute non payment of license fee. I dont know about Sky taking criminal cases. It might as a scare tactic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They don't have to do many prosecutions. Anyone caught gets the chance to buy a licence to avoid prosecution.

    As well as funding households not paying, the taxpayer is also funding 400,000 other households who get a "free" TV licence. This number will keep increasing rapidly as the number of over 70's in the country goes up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭John arse


    Don't pay the licence fee and get around two years of IPTV- sorted!😁💶💶💶



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭dubrov




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭Gooser14


    Many people qualify for the free TV licence from age 66.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,294 ✭✭✭endainoz


    In the greatest of ironys, the song used on that anti piracy add was itself actually pirates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,619 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    was with a group illegally watching it, the whole broadcasting landscape is a mess!



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