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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    That self deport is such a pile of ****. I am sure anyone of these folks who are told you need to self deport are saying "yes your honor we will leave" and then getting outside the court room and wetting themselves laughing as they saunter off with no intention of leaving.

    There should be no such thing as "self deport", they should be told prior to coming to court to pack up their belongings and bring them with you as if you are deported you will be escorted straight to the airport and escorted to what ever plane.you are leaving.on and it will be at their own expense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Minister Helen Mc Entee totally out of depth dealing with the asylum returns 3 in 2023 out of 188 deemed to be transferable to another country . A lack of tranperancy on the details of asylum numbers . They cannot manage the asylum system as it is so how is the new EU migration going to work .

    https://www.facebook.com/reel/1637947480651613



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    The asylum system has been running for over 30 years record numbers have come since Covid .The total number over that period is much greater .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭dp22250


    The 1951 refugee convention isn’t fit for purpose. Landing in the eu being given new iPhone by ngos and pillaging across Europe and settling in treasure Ireland all expense paid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    where has this 33k figure come from, we've had far more than that over the years



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭nachouser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭dp22250


    Same source stating that they are IT Professionals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    Unfortunately I saw a video of some of the beginning of the fighting which led to the stabbing off Grafton Street.

    I have no words.

    Hang your head in shame for doing this to our civilised country.

    Livid!

    I don't know how I will safely send my children out to socialise when they're older. Even having to witness that is enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    don’t have time to look at this but will later, so are you saying we’ve only had 33000 asylum seekers have arrived here in twelve years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I'm posting what has been published, but yeah, 33k over the last 22 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Get Real


    That's not true. What have you actually posted?

    Work it out, you're saying (or the figures you posted say) there's been 33,000 asylum applications since 2004?

    In 22 years? So on average...c1.5k per year. That's just not true.

    The document, slide 5, is showing CURRENT OCCUPANCY. 33,000. Current occupancy, in May 2026. There are currently 33k asylum seekers in IPAS accomodation in May 2026. That's all slide 5 is saying. It's not cumulative.

    There were 15,000 asylum seeker applications last year and 18,000 in 2024. Those two years alone make 33k. Source: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/social-affairs/2026/01/06/sharp-rise-in-number-of-asylum-seekers-voluntarily-leaving-ireland-in-2025/

    I'm genuinely confused as to how you misinterpreted your own source.

    That's all that graph is showing. Ipas accommodation occupancy for each year at X point in time. It's not cumulative.

    Zoom in on 24/09/2004. So that means, that particular week there were just under 7000 people in IPAS accomodation. Likewise, zoom in on 25/07/21, there were 7000.

    As your own graph shows, the numbers present in IPAS accomodation at any given time, has quadrupled since 2021.

    It's not a cumulative graph. It's just showing present numbers for each period. In another year in 2027, the number could be 20,000. That doesn't mean only 20,000 will have applied since 2004.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 836 ✭✭✭Phat Cat


    Between 2004 and the end of 2024, approximately 137,700 international protection applications were lodged in Ireland. This figure includes all first-time asylum applications recorded by the International Protection Office (IPO) and its predecessor, the Office of the Refugee Applications Commissioner (ORAC).

    While application numbers were high in the mid-2000s, they dropped significantly after 2008 and remained low until a major surge that began in 2022

    2004-2010: ~27,900 applications

    2011-2019: ~22,600 applications

    2020-2021: ~4,200 applications

    2022-2024: ~50,500 applications (with 2024 seeing a record 18,560 applications alone)

    These figures strictly represent individuals claiming asylum (International Protection). They do not include the roughly 100,000+ individuals from Ukraine who arrived in Ireland under the EU's Temporary Protection Directive since 2022



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,891 ✭✭✭enricoh


    You were close, it was 33k in the last 2 years not 22 years. Family reunification on top of that, naturally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,546 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    @nachouser and @Phat Cat

    The number 33k is the number in State Provided accommodation.

    The numbers quoted for Asylum seekers are not correct either as a fixed number over the years . Some stay , apply for citizenship eventually . Others leave or move to other countries for work .

    I have yet to see any data which spells out how many are still.living here apart from our CSO census information on foreign nationals .

    Maybe specific question could be inserted for the next census . But numbers of those applying appears to be dropping .

    Ireland: Steep rise in voluntary returns - InfoMigrants https://share.google/gnsaFzGZNVLalM8BY



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Sorry no, I still have issue with this.

    You've been making out that a figure of 33,000 have arrived since 2004. And it's just entirely incorrect. Again, in my previous post I mentioned how this figure is not cumulative.

    It's a figure at any given point in time, on any one of those specific dates.

    I was just browsing back through the thread and came across this original post.

    It irks me. It irks me so much to see this and then you doubled down.

    Because you're the very person saying "you need to get off your social feeds" (Which I agree with btw) but then post entirely false information. Either a mistaken interpretation on your part, or a deliberate and sinister misrepresentation.

    You then posted a link to said graph which again, shows current numbers in IPAS accomodation, not cumulative.

    And I also explained we've had 33k applications the last two years, nevermind the last 22, and provided the link for same.

    It just really annoys me. Because there's a huge, rational, middle ground of opinion there

    And we've incorrect information on the extreme anti-immigration side of things. But then you also come along with incorrect information, saying "What's the big deal over 33k asylum seekers"

    Shame on you. Shame on you for either 1) being deliberately misleading with what you posted or 2) making an honest misinterpretation, but posting it anyway because you don't care what the stats say, as long as they (incorrectly) support your argument.

    Either way, you've engaged in behaviour that resembles the very social media feeds you advise people to get off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Thats 33k currently being accommodated in IPAS accommodation not the total number of arrivals since 2004.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭donaghs


    Essentially promoting racism and divisiveness , in the guise of “anti-racism”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    💯correct and not just the good Dr doing but TD's like Coppinger and Murphy. I don't even think that poor man's body jad gone when they were out screaming racism.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭Resplendent Moose


    Your DARVO knickers are showing.

    Poster Warned. Let's cut out with personal sniping folks.

    -Mod

    Post edited by Rawr on

    A personal invitation to dance, as Nero plays for the last time
    Tonight you will mix with the prophets without honour...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭donaghs


    wasn’t familiar with that term. But can you please explain your post?

    Apparently “DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender), is a common manipulative tactic used by abusers and narcissists”.

    Ebun Joseph is not a victim of anything. Although she did cry racism when accidentally given a glass of ribena a few years back.

    So please explain, what are you referring to?

    Despite trying to use the killing of Qayyum Balogun to promote her brand of “anti-racism”, this killing happened within the Nigerian-Irish group/community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,832 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    there should be a ban on posters who post such nonsensical posts, what does that even mean???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭Willie Power


    I see Kieran Kelly has ripped into the lispy Sligo fella, James Conway. Two fairly unstable individuals🙈

    https://www.facebook.com/61582423864645/videos/1003455819048368/?app=fbl

    "He might be an eejit, but he's our eejit"
    Willie Power



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,904 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    We've seen this play out in America for years. It just gets worse and ultimately leads to a worsening situation for everyone including the immigrants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Story yesterday in the local paper. Man claimed disability allowance for years despite earning over €150,000. Including from a property in Dublin he was renting. He was driving a taxi here and claimed it wasn’t him that was driving, gave the name of someone else who passed away. You think that would result in a prison sentence but no, 3 months suspended sentence. Joke.

    And today a polish man who falsely claimed almost €30,000 Pandemic unemployment payment was up in court. He has paid 0 of it back despite receiving €40,000 from a claim since that time. The judge said ““He received €40,000 and at the same time he was defrauding the Social Welfare budget to the tune of €29,000.”

    You’d think he would get a prison sentence but oh no. Fined a measly €2,400 and given 6 months to pay. That’s it.

    We’re pathetic and the grifters know that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,079 ✭✭✭donaghs


    I’ll use the term “far right” here also, reluctantly as it’s thrown around like confetti.
    “anti-racism” fuels the growth of the far right spectrum. It explicitly tells people with paler skin the identify as “white”, albeit as privileged, or oppressors. Inevitably some people will take the message that they belong to some mythical white race , but will use it as a badge of identity, and opposition to enemies of “whiteness”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,904 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The white privilege spiel was ultimately what drove me away from that movement our school teachers had been coaching us into.

    An Irishman growing up with a chip on my soldier with the Brits occupying the north and they're gonna try paint me as the bad guy. It's a no from me. I want to go back to a time when white privilege wasn't on the table.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Who Fwamed Wojja Wabbitt ….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,848 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Cant think of anything to say?

    <oh ya, just blame the immigrants like the rest of you do>

    Get provided with demonstrable evidence of issues?

    <oh ya, just blame the immigrants like the rest of you do>

    See with your own two eyes how murders and deaths are reported based on the colour of the victims and perpetrators skin?

    <oh ya, just blame the immigrants like the rest of you do>



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