Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

The return hubs will be the nub of this . Getting that right will be important or it won't work / will be mired in controversy .

As it is there have been legal challenges to the hubs proposed in Albania .

"But NGOs say that these hubs risk becoming lawless offshore detention centers. The lack of detail on where the hubs will be placed and who will monitor them “risks leaving the door open to abuses of power, human rights violations, and even more disorder at Europe’s borders,”

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-migrant-returns-deal/

If it works it will go some way to easing tension over numbers of failed applicants remaining here .

I agree.

33k people in IPAS is nothing in terms of our population. How the state spends money to house them is another issue entirely.

Yea yea, it's all just racism and xenophobia right?

I don't like seeing the country paying a fortune to support chancers, scammers, criminals, and opportunists.

I don't like seeing natives who've been on waiting lists for years, or who have been saving and struggling only to be outbid by some housing agency or council to house randomers instead.

I don't like seeing randomers landing here and being allowed outbid natives for what limited housing is left.

I don't think we need any more imported deliveroo drivers, shop workers, bin lorry drivers etc. The argument of course is the Irish won't do those jobs - well I'm sure there's lots of young college students who might, or just ordinary people who are being rejected in a race to the bottom.

We probably need to look at exactly what jobs these new IT workers are doing too. Is it an actual specialised role located in this country, or a more generic support or call centre one? I started my professional career in a call centre and anyone can be trained to answer a phone and follow a script.

I don't like seeing Irish people struggling with their day to day lives because of the pressure and problems that have exploded because of the extra demands on pretty much everything. If we have these resources they should be going to the natives first. Once we have cleaned our own house can we start thinking about anyone else.

I don't like reading what seems like a steadily increasing wave of violent crime, murders and social problems with a lot of new arrivals as perpetrators. We have our own problems with crime and criminals. Why are we taking in more?

I'm ESPECIALLY tired of this idiotic notion that calling out or highlighting any of the above is somehow "wrong". Wrong according to who? Paid vested interests like NGOs? Trolls online who may not even live here themselves? Far-left/socialist politicians and the likes?

Do you really think that I CARE what such people think? Do you think most people who are dealing with the consequences of all this care about hurt feelz and hysterics?

What I have had is enough of all of it. I grew up here as did my parents, their parents and so on. I've worked for over 30 years, I've contributed, and I actually (maybe stupidly) do things right and follow the rules but that's probably my biggest problem with all of it! - I believe in fairness!

If rules apply to one, they should apply to all. I cannot stand the "cute hoor" mentality but it's even worse now to see complete randomers be put ahead of and given advantages that the rest of us aren't - by the same State that constitutionally is supposed to look after its people, interests and future!

And no, I don't paticularly want to live in a divided, marginalised society with parallel communities and cultures competing for those resources. I don't particularly enjoy feeling like a stranger or minority in my home country depending on the neighborhood or scenario.

Why are we bending over backwards to accommodate every randomer who arrives? What's wrong with expecting them to adapt to us? Ireland is world renowned (albeit increasingly superficially) for its unique culture, country, and people - all things that are currently being lost in the midst of all this.

If we don't stand up for Ireland and the society we grew up in and the freedoms and comforts we worked so hard to build over the last 30/40 years, who will? The current crop of politicians? Those who are busy trying to redesign other European countries in their own image and now arriving here?

I'll say it again - immigration can indeed be a positive and beneficial thing absolutely... But those benefits have to be felt by the hosts as well as the new arrivals, and in the last few years I'm struggling to see exactly what we're getting from all this.

How does Ireland benefit from tens of thousands of near illiterate economic migrants with the hand out?

How does Ireland benefit from people whose only goal is to get what we've built? Refugees/asylum seekers, or otherwise?

How does Ireland benefit from people whose cultures, beliefs or behaviour is fundamentally incompatible with a modern, liberal, Western nation?

How does Ireland benefit from seeing essential services and supports stretched to breaking point?

How does Ireland benefit by the damage being done to our society and the social contract as a whole by all of this?

Whatever benefits we're theoretically getting, the price is too damn high!

Well, the last few posts have just proven my point. Natives, etc. 33k or so that you are all losing your minds over.

Independent reckons that the killer in this latest case has already fled the country.

The most ridiculous thing about the report is the total lack of information given by Gardai about the suspect - a man in his 20s, well-known to Gardai who has already been charged with another stabbing in the south of the country.

Yea that narrows it down alright! I'm sure it'll help their enquiries by giving the public absolutely nothing to respond to. It's as bad as last week or so when they tried to avoid describing a suspect using a stolen bank card as a black man despite it being clear as day on the CCTV footage!

I'm sure the justification is that we don't want to stoke fear of minority communities, or that the risk is that every non-national will be seen by some as a criminal but that's frankly idiotic and insulting, not to mention positive discrimination. It's of course a very different approach when the suspect is white and Irish, and that's not lost on anyone either.

Plus the reality is that there seems to be a a steady stream of violent crimes and murders involving minorities in this country over the last few years - it IS a concern!

To any journalists or editors, or even Garda communications staff reading this - you're fooling no-one, but what you ARE doing is putting the public in more danger with this idiocy. We have a dangerous individual now involved in 2 stabbings (one fatal) that ye are refusing to give out a clear description of so that people can be aware and maybe assist with tracking his movements.

Worse, you may actually be enboldening him or others like him by inadvertently assuring them that they'll still be able to move around freely because the general public will have no idea about who is beside them.

All this biased reporting is doing is protecting the criminals involved and putting the public in greater danger - good job!!