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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,376 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    From what I've seen on Twitter and elsewhere, the only conclusion I've come to is that Stuart Lancaster leads a charmed life. Coached the best Leinster side, at the peak of their athletic and technical abilities, to three successive European Cup final defeats, yet gets none of the blowback.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭zetor 4911




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭almostover


    I owe you an apology by the way, I have challenged your opinion that Cullen is ruining this team in the past. But after seeing that post match interview by him I'm starting to see where you're coming from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    Was on crutches at the end. Not sure what exactly happened to him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭longjohn200


    Have to say what a mess Leinster have created at no. 10. And that certainly was avoidable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    “catastrophic disaster” does not seem like a balanced perspective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,699 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Lancaster copped plenty of flak for those defeats. The difference is they were incredibly narrow ones, and we were playing brilliant rugby. Now we play turgid stuff, the defense is garbage and we're getting blown away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    Look Leo is a great guy, Leinster Legend and I have nothing but fond memories of him as a player. That semi v Clermont is my all time fav Leinster game and Leo was ace that day, gave everything. It's horrible to see him struggle through these conferences with the media post another loss. He is really struggling to find anything to say. Leinster are in the top few teams on Europe and will be going forward but ultimately we need an aggressive edge and a more ruthless coach to close the gap and set the standards. It's time for a change and I say that for Leo's sake too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,288 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Oh I'm not disagreeing! I'm just very much hoping he's nowhere near as sanguine about that trouncing than he's letting on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,376 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Rose tinted glasses there. We played good rugby in fits and starts in those finals.

    But with Sexton marshalling us in most of those we frequently underperformed and struggled to get any sort of attacking flow.

    In reality Lancaster was just as culpable as anyone for those defeats and eventually I hope people realise that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭autogrow




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭roverjoyce


    I have read the last 4 pages and it is hilarious that everyone is not calling for Leo to be sackedit is an embarrassment of his coaching ability not to win this game

    Can you imagine a soccer manager failing on a similar scale he would be left in Bilbao

    It really sums up Irish Rugby that there is no real chance of Leo being sacked

    What his Captain Doris said in is press conference is embarrassing, how can a captain be happy after losing howany finals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,699 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    No argument, Lancaster shoulders his share of the blame. I think it's inarguable though that we were better performers under him though. We hammered Toulouse twice, our defense was much better imo



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    We did get a favourable draw but that's because we earned it. When they're making the pools the 3 winners of each league and the champions of the Cup are kept apart from each other. They're tier 1 and everyone else is in tier 2. Then when it comes to the knock out stages the pool winners are seeded 1 - 4, which this season were 3 of the tier 1 teams, and those teams are given favourable draws for the rest of the competition. This year the SFs were made up of 3 of the tier 1 teams with Toulon being the off team out as they beat Glasgow who were the other tier 1.

    It doesn't always happen that the tier 1 teams continue their form but the competition is set up to reward teams who win their league or the cup the previous season and teams who do well in the pool stage. It's to incentivise teams to compete in the pool stage when so many teams will progress. As opposed to the old old format where 8 teams came from 6 pools so competing in the pool stage was necessity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    We've turned into the MAYO GAA of rugby at this stage. I'm just glad I witnessed us getting to the holy grail in 2009 and the subsequent victories. Took them completely for granted at the time. The longer this streak goes on the harder it will be to break.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,437 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    ah thats a bit hyperbolic and i dont see leinster being mayo like at all. I think some expectations do need to be dampened a bit from fans and you will likely get to a european title some time soon again as the consistency of getting to finals will get over the line at some stage. youve been to most finals(9) with toulouse 2nd(whove been to 8) with nobody else being to more than 5. you will get over the line some time soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭ironingbored


    In fairness, two of those games were on 4G pitches in absolute deluges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭ironingbored


    LBB is 22.

    Perhaps I'll be proved wrong. Just haven't seen it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,288 ✭✭✭ironingbored


    Obviously, there are 15 teams in the URC, 11 in the Top14 and 10 in the Prem who would bite your hand off to be in a position to be getting to 5 CC finals in 7 years.

    Leinster just dont have the resources of ST, UBB to go out and and get a world class 10 for 3 years post Sexton while a pretender comes through. Or a South African THP, or a Menoncello to replace an ageing Henshaw.

    And with the money in French rugby now, that is the difference between winning and losing a final.

    Couple that with a shocking decline in coaching standards and we're on a downward trajectory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    I haven’t read the past 4 pages and won’t be but I find it hard to believe nobody is calling for Cullens head. This Leinster forum, along with me, has wanted Cullen gone pretty strongly since the Northampton loss.

    Leinster were up against it today as Bordeaux are up there with Toulouse as the best club team out there, but that performance was, once again, unacceptable.

    If he had anything about him he should resign tonight. I have said it for over a year now, 10+ years is too long in any job, not to mention pro sport.

    Leinster is the Irish team without Beirne and Crowley, 2 players (and good players, a great one in Beirne) don’t make that much of a difference. The difference is the coaching. And it has been a dreadful season. Anyone who has played rugby to even a half decent level would know the issue is the coaching. Cullen needs to go, Nienaber was worth the appointment but it hasn’t worked, Leinster have never looked so poor defensively. He needs to go. Robin McBryde has been around for God knows how long and doesn’t appear to add anything. The attack is dogshit all year, Bleyendaal has added the square root of 0. Not too sure what Sean O’Brien adds either as the skills and handling has never been as bad.

    Doris can’t come out and start ranting, as much as I’d love him to. But again, It’s been said numerous times, this team is far too friendly. Can you imagine Sexton after that today? I’d be surprised if he even did the interview.

    Completely unrelated but Irish provincial rugby is going one way with Humphreys changes. Anybody can say what they want about that squad but for Leinster to consistently be in the top teams of Europe for this long is good going but Leinster are going to lose important players to prop up the other provinces because the actual issue isn’t being tackled that one 1 team is providing players to Ireland (Ulster notwithstanding who have some good players coming through) .

    A few years time is going to be mid table for all Irish teams while none of them will put a glove on the French teams and we can all argue between each other about who is less shite than the other. All the while 2 teams in particular will be bailed out with Leinster produced players and imports because their underage systems are so poorly run. Ridiculous situation to be in and almost punishes 1 branch for having their house in order.

    Anyway onto next week and rant over.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,717 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    I know people go on about the 5 lost finals but you need to look who we were playing, which Ironingbored has listed here. Some of those teams are in the competition for best ever teams, in particular Saracens and Toulouse.

    In 2019 we lost to Saracens but that was their 3rd Champions Cup win in 4 seasons, we beat them in the QFs in 18. 2019 was also their 4th English Premiership title in 5 years too, so they were in excellent team.

    In 2022 La Rochelle beat us and they were a really big physical team (Will Skelton and Uni Atonio started for them). They were also the runners up in the Champions Cup and the Top 14 (they finished 2nd here too) the previous season. They didn't do as good that season in the Top 14, only finishing 5th and going out in the QFs, but they were a very good team.

    In 2023 La Rochelle were now in their third Champions Cup final, finished 2nd in the Top 14 league that season and very nearly did the double as they only lost to Toulouse in the final thanks to a 78th min Ntamack try. So again they were a very good team.

    In 2024 Toulouse were in their 2nd Champions Cup final in 4 years, had finished top of the Top 14 and win the final the previous season and did it again that season. So again a very good team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,177 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The two lost finals against ROG sting and 2024 was the year we drew in spurs new stadium?

    This hurt we've had done to us what we did to Ulster all those years ago.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Christ that Cullen interview is depressing.

    He might not want to tear into the players in fear of the media narrative being that he's lost the dressing room, but I would be amazed if any of the players looked at that and thought it was something to be proud of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭ersatz


    yeah, JGP wasn’t ’getting slow ball’, he often just waited before passing. Seemed like a tactical choice, ensuring everyone was in place, including Bordeaux’s defence. Basically meant that Leinster had no speed in phase attack, or guile. Looking at Leo’s interview again he does actually seem a little out of his mind, just another game, sure we’ve a 1/4 final next week. That’s rugby. His PR schtick has worked for a decade so not surprised he’s still trying it on. Mister nice guy strikes again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,880 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    JGP was very slow to get the ball away, spent a bit of time flapping the hands too looking for penalties. Missed some tackles too. Bordeaux's ruck speed v Leinster's in the first half especially was night and day.

    Reading international reports and the comments and some make a point about Doris as a captain (and Irish captains in general, including Beirne) and their complaining to refs. Basically saying that it's far too frequent that they're in the ref's ear and you're better off to not complain on the minor moments so that they'll be more inclined to listen when you do raise a point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭conquestscarer


    Was painfully obvious the second a bit game came around Henshaw would be show up. He's a gain line 12 who can't get over the gain line. He also has terrible hands, can barely pass a ball.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,599 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,087 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It probably is time for change. Ten years is too long for any coach and Cullen, for all the good he’s done, just seems to have run his course. Getting to all these finals is an immense achievement but we need to change something to kick on.

    People getting so bent out of shape about that interview, I’m not sure it matters tbh, but he must have said five times about how clinical UBB were and that was the main difference yesterday. They took every chance they got, we butchered a number and made critical errors to give them easy entries. Cullen and Nienaber have to ship the blame for that, but so do the players.

    Any change in coaches will be pretty pointless without some shift in on-field leadership. We have no one to pull the team together and steady the ship once things go wrong on the pitch. For all the world class talent we have, I don’t see a strong captain figure like Sexton, Nacewa, Heaslip or Cullen himself. Leo wouldn’t have stood by and let yesterday happen if he’d been on the pitch, which is an odd situation I suppose. The downside of producing so many home grown players is it limits your ability to go to the market and fill gaps, but if there’s an opportunity to sign a real leadership figure, we need to demand IRFU allow it.

    I think we saw yesterday why so many of us were hesitant about Byrne being brought in, the poor guy had a shocker, and unless SP improves massively over the summer, this is a big problem. I see a lot of posts about letting the wrong OH leave, tbh I don’t think that will be borne out either.

    The frustrating thing about yesterday is just how easy we made it for them. If you’re going to lose, you want to make them work for the win, but we didn’t. The intercept try, the butchered overlap by TOB, there’s no way UBB make those mistakes yesterday. They got a lot of luck too. That ball brushing Keenan’s fingertips goes from good field position for Leinster to a five metre scrum and try for Bordeaux. Their fourth try pinballs around before eventually ending up in Penauds arms and they’re in again.

    Anyway, the URC is the big one, right? Onwards and upwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,339 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    you hadn’t asked who are the best two teams.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭CuriousCucumber


    Is Scott Robertson available? Leinster need brand new voices in charge.

    Does anyone actually think Cullen would be offered a job anywhere, if Leinster let him go?



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