Fuel Protest (Read MOD NOTE on first post)

that's what I meant obviously, we are already paying carbon tax. The next increase in May is what people were worried about, that has been deferred, I think you knew I meant that.

I agree with alot of your sentiment - the time to prevent the crazies from the hard right and/or the far left from coming to power is now.

The current government needs to change course and start focussing on the issues at home. I've heard more from this government about money for Ukraine and enacting some occupied territories bill than actually working on policies to insulate the Irish people from the challenges that exist here at home in the now.

The Irish people by and large feel abandoned and at times disregarded by what this government is doing, or if you want to be more specific - what they're not doing.

They have failed to address the immigration situation with any meaningful actions. They have failed to address the issue with vulture fund and foreign entities owning and buying large amounts of housing. They have failed to address the cost of living challenges and in particular the cost of energy. They have failed to address the massive issues in health and they have failed to address the massive wastage of public money.

I guarantee you, if they go hard and solve just those five issues - they'll be re-elected with a landslide. But to me it appears they are appeasing anyone but the voters of this country and will pay a big price if things go south any further.

VAT still has zero impact on business and farmers. For businesses there already is tax ceiling on fuel. All the duties are fixed prices that do not increase or decrease with the price of fuel. Current duties/excise etc... on diesel are 64c (probably changed with today's announcement) Your proposal would have businesses pay an additional 11c in order for the general public to enjoy zero VAT?

These protests where about farmers and hauliers and their cost of fuel. Be silly for the government to reduce the price for the public and increase it for businesses.

We need immigrants and plenty of them. Weren't vulture funds a thing of the last crash ?. Health is a global issue with the shortage of healthcare staff.

The massive wastage of public money is something that definitely should be called out .
Every public body should be making public on an annual basis ,details of every payment to every one who receives one.
If it is good enough to apply to farm payments of under 2 billion , why not implement it on budgets like social support of 30 billion per annum .

As I said earlier, the Govt needs to start focussing on the issues in Ireland. The flag is a reminder to those in power what country they're supposed to be serving.

I think people want caps like other countries in Europe have instituted like Greece, Hungary etc. I believe that would mean fuel essentially being subsidised

I think Greece have a cap only on markups on fuel from the refineries and retailers.

A price cap on retail prices would probably end up like the cash for ash. Be tankers coming down from north filling up on 'cheap' fuel.

Price cap on electricity or gas is possible as there are usage limits. Go above the limit and you pay full price. Very hard to do that with petrol sales on forecourts.

It's fairly clear to me that the greatest risk to the continuation of peaceful democracy in the Western world is social media. It has delivered us Trump, Brexit, the Dublin riots and the mess of the past few days.

My point is is @185,000 for a miserable twelve acres means it must yield a considerable income otherwise it wouldn't be worth that.

Any business is only worth what it can earn.

Will you ever go away with yourself. You've contributed nothing to the debate only bandy about constant accusations of racism and all other muck.The absolute hatred for your fellow countrymen and women who have built this country up over generations when there wasn't a pot to pee in and this is the respect you give back.

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My point is is @185 ,000 for a miserable twelve acres means it must yield a considerable income otherwise it wouldn't be worth that.

Any business is only worth what it can earn.

That's the thing , 12 acres absolutely wouldn't yield a considerable income in any standard farming system

In all likelihood that value has very little to do with the income 12 acres Can generate

I explained some possible likely reasons for the valuation earlier in response to a similar post

Suffice to say the vast majority of farmers can't afford land at current valuations

I think it was a response to you making a similar point in this very thread, I can copy paste it if you can't be bothered to read replies to your own posts, I think its a couple of pages back

You really are not making the kind of point you think you are tbh

There you go kneemos