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rsa supporting e-scooters

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    As long as someone wins the Culture Wars, votes are secured, and self-interest promoted, that's really all that matters in politics and public discourse these days it would seem. Logic, reason and science can go and do one.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,567 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    on the topic of e-scooters only being allowed for those of 16 or over - how does proof of age work from a legal standpoint?

    a 17 year old has no requirement to carry ID with DOB, so what can a garda do if he or she stops a teenager and asks for proof they're allowed use the scooter? do they start confiscating scooters from 16 and 17 year olds, pending ID being produced at a garda station?

    that'd be unworkable, and might be one reason the gardai have no interest in policing this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,311 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It's so stupid. I live in North inner city and every 12 year old from the flats has gotten an e scooter for Christmas and no matter what rules are in place they'll never be wearing helmets. They can fly around on stolen motorbikes and scramblers all day with no one bothering them so what's the point in introducing a stupid helmet rule?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,049 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Yeah, a few weeks ago RTÉ mentioned Lithuania bringing in compulsion for e-scooter users in their European news bar at the bottom of rte.ie/news. Think there are others. They do seem to have a high rate of injuries, though I haven't read any proper scientific studies yet, and medical people seem to be quoting efficacy claims from hospitalization studies on cyclists, rather than scooter users, and as usual ignoring the population-level studies that contradict them.

    I've a bad feeling about where the conversation seems to be leading, as others have mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    As it's a privilege not a right it's up to the 17 year old to provide the Garda with something that proves they are old enough, if they have no proof of being old enough it gets seized. It's the same for cars it's up to the operator to prove they are licenced, taxed, NCT'd and insured not the Garda to say they aren't, they just seize it if in doubt.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Pretty sure Gardai could always seize bicycles as well if they had reasonable suspicion you were lying about your name/address, maybe that was a lie, but if it wasn't this would also cover this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Newspaper editor demands e-scooters be banned

    The proliferation of electric scooters on the footpaths and roads is the greatest menace to pedestrians, cyclists and motorists alike, as they weave their way in and out of traffic on roads, cycle lanes and paths to their little hearts’ content. Never mind the danger to others – they are a mortal danger to themselves.

    It may seem like a real ‘old man’ thing to advocate – but I’d ban the whole lot of them. The mobility they offer is far outweighed by the danger they cause. And even if most owners do behave responsibly, the absence of safety measures means there is an inherent level of risk that is just not acceptable, whatever the benefits T​ime to get tough on the e-scooter scourge in Galway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    There ya go. Six killed by cars in a week, but yes, its eScooters that are the menace. It's bordering on gaslighting at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    It's deeply concerning that drivel like that article is given the light of day when cars killed 6 people in 7 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Bordering? The f*cking fire has been doused in it at this stage!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,990 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Sell more clicks with media sound bytes.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,567 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,990 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Paywalled. AI Summary

    "An Irish Times opinion piece argues that single-occupancy vehicles are the primary cause of urban congestion, advocating for e-scooters as a space-efficient alternative and calling for better urban planning over bans. The author contends that public criticism is wrongly focused on micro-mobility, while large cars dominate and disrupt urban spaces. "

    Certain people on this forum are rabid anti-escootists. Their arguments make no sense they just repeat the fud they hear in the media. No logical thinking at all. Usually its also an absolute fanatical hated of anything that's not a car.

    They could fix many of the issues with eScooters by enforcing the existing laws and ban sale of illegal ones. Immediate destruction of any illegal scooter found on a road.

    Ireland is obsessed by the car though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall


    There was an oil tanker bombed in the Middle East last night.

    What has that, or E-scooters got to do with cars killing people? Or cycling- the thread subject, for that matter?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    What are you on about? Its a thread on e-scooters? And if you can't see the relevance/ connection then I guess that says more about your viewpoint than any interest you may have on discussing the road as a shared space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,862 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I think the main issues here are one of public perception in general of eScooters not just motor vehicle drivers, the majority of people on these PMD's aren't good honest people trying to get to work, they are usually hooded youths who are most likely selling/transporting drugs cos they know the Garda can't chase them..

    So long as you can order these illegal scooters online or bring them in from the North, and the Gards can't pursue them then the illegal usages by feral youth will continue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,990 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That's one perception.

    I mostly see people commuting on them, when I'm commuting. Also the odd delivery rider. But they are mostly on eBikes. Or cars.

    I'm rarely anywhere with hooded youths. See a few in certain areas. I'm sure there's more in other areas. People make it sound like the place is swamped with them.

    Illegal high speed ones or kids on them are enforcement issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 987 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Illegal high speed ones and kids are enforcement issues because there's no way to enforce it.

    Here's another example of someone attempting to enforce the law, just from today actually. They've been banned off the road.

    All the dangerous, high speed ones have to do is turn around and speed off. Simple as. I can rally around in a balaclava, drive up on footpaths, cause mayhem on streets, nobody will stop me. When someone goes to stop me, I drive off and the people trying to stop me are the ones done.

    https://www.crimeworld.com/courts/garda-gets-road-ban-for-dangerous-driving-after-chasing-illegal-scramblers-in-dublin/a/144810599.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,990 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Need to go after the sellers.

    But that case is just bizarre. Garda union should get involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,787 ✭✭✭cletus


    The Garda himself said he hit a cone he didn't even see, and would have hit a fella on a bicycle if he hadn't gotten out of the way. That doesn't sound like he was in control, to be fair



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,117 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Sadbh O'Neill coming up on NT saying we should not be demonising escooters and they are much needed in this congestion era

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,990 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I hope the cone doesn't sue for emotional damage. Doesn't warrant banning someone from driving IMO.

    According to the article it wasn't a bicycle, it was illegal scramblers and a masked riders and weaving in and out of traffic.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,567 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Shields accepted the CCTV footage “doesn’t look as great as I would like it to look, but these things happen.”

    uhm. i guess that's proof there that the defence team didn't coach him… of all people, you'd expect a garda to know what not to say in the box.

    it was a cyclist he nearly clipped according to to the article.

    There was “a lad” on an electric bike and it “nearly clipped him” but he sped off around the corner, she said.

    He denied intentionally driving the car over the traffic cone, saying he did not recall seeing it as he was concentrating on the scramblers. However, he accepted his car would have hit the bike on the path if it had not moved out of the way.

    he got everything he deserved IMO. the whole point of rules of engagement for car chases is to not injure innocent bystanders. he could have seriously injured that cyclist and it seems by his own admission it was the actions of the cyclist, not the driver, which avoided a collision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,787 ✭✭✭cletus


    Really? You don't see an issue with driving in such a manner that you don't notice obstructions on the road?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,990 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think lad on an electric bike who sped off is a euphemism for the rider on the illegal scrambler.

    I don't think a cul de dac was filled with random pedal cyclists passing through.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,990 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Illegal scramblers with masked riders weaving though traffic and pedestrians vs a Garda car clipping a cone.

    No contest in my book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,787 ✭✭✭cletus


    What about almost hitting an innocent cyclist, who had to take evasive action or, according to the Garda himself, would have been hit by that car?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,990 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Innocent cyclist lol.

    Was the cone also innocent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,787 ✭✭✭cletus


    If the chap on the bike was involved in the incident, then the defence (including the Garda himself) did a very poor job by not pointing that out. It definitely doesn't come across like that in the article. Do you have some extra information that shows this? Or are you just assuming because it suits your argument.

    Also, What's with all the snide comments. I'm not someone who dips in and out of this forum looking to get a rise out of people. I think I'm here long enough for people to know I'm arguing in good faith.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,990 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Long experience with how tabloids like the Sunday World (which this is) write articles as click bait.

    It's obvious it's the scrambler they are referring to by "lad on electric bicycle". It's illegal to have a bike on a path.

    Garda are blocked at every turn in dealing with illegal eBikes and scramblers. These bikes have already killed someone and maimed people. This is a farce. Garda injures a cone.

    "...

    Garda Representative Association (GRA): Stated that the conviction left gardaí "hung out to dry" and highlighted the high personal risk members face when responding to "the scourge of scramblers".

    Garda Commissioner Justin Kelly: Called for legislative change to raise the criminal threshold for gardaí involved in on-duty accidents, arguing for "simple and clear" guidelines to protect officers performing their duties.

    Proposed Indemnity: Some political figures have called for statutory indemnity for gardaí engaging in scrambler pursuits to prevent similar future prosecutions...

    ...This case concluded just as the Irish government fast-tracked Grace's Law, named after 16-year-old Grace Lynch, who was killed by a scrambler in Finglas in early 2026. The new law, effective from April 3, 2026, gives gardaí enhanced powers to seize scrambler bikes in any public place, regardless of whether they are being driven safely at that moment. .."



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