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DART+ (DART Expansion)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    The infrastructure is already in place, and in use, to allow trains from Maynooth to reverse at Clonsilla, for M3 Parkway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,668 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,532 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Not strictly DART+ but wonder if this article is accurate?

    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/foreignaffairs/20260315/ireland-seeks-direct-flights-to-seoul-deeper-transport-and-tech-cooperation

    "Ireland has also expanded cooperation with the Korean rail manufacturer Hyundai Rotem. The Irish government recently placed an order worth about 150 million euros ($171 million) for train carriages to be delivered by 2030."

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    No such order has been placed and there are no open tenders

    Last order with Hyundai was the 41 ICR B2 cars that was signed by in 2019. There is an option for more but that is unlikely to be exercised as the DART+ fleet and Enterprise replacement projects will free up a large amount of ICR stock



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,517 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I suspect it was a government spokesperson in Korea being told to find some facts about Korea-Ireland trade to put in with the route opening, and they mistook the duration of the investment programme for the delivery schedule for the 22000 rail-cars. The order, placed in 2019 was indeed €150 million, paid for under the 2021-30 Development Plan, but all trains were delivered by 2024, and in service by that Summer.

    The 22000 deal is more of an example of Japan-Korea trade links than Korea-Ireland trade, though, as it was Mitsui who bid for, and won, the supply contract, with Hyundai-Rotem as their delivery partner.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Here is an interesting insight or two

    Those 41 were paid for out of the DART+ budget, seriously

    A non powered wheel set on a ICR is the same part number as that under a 86xx and 28xx

    Mitsui did the bogies and wheelsets, Rotem did the bodyshells, assembly and systems integration



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭lateconnection


    One of the reports on the Kilcock depot states that “the remainder of the fleet will be stabled at various locations across the network.”

    The depot is being designed to take 32 trains. There will be 75 trains once DART+ is finished (and even more if the 8500s are retained). Where will the remaining 43 trains go?

    Drogheda can take around 11 trains, Fairview could take 12, Spencer Dock could take 4, Bray could take 7, M3 Parkway 4, but I don’t know where else could take any?

    Surely there are plans for an additional stabling yard or two somewhere on the network?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Inchicore too if they cleared out some of the scrap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    I have looked over the report, and it looks like the 32-units it is referring to are actually full length trains, or 2x 5-car units coupled together. So that is a total capacity of 64 sets or almost the entire fleet. I say that becauase it described the stabling area as being 420m x 90m, or based on the diagrams 15x 420m tracks. That should accomodate 30 trains or 60-sets.

    Then there is still plenty of other places for stabling. Drogheda and Fairview depots will have a good bit of space, although the 29Ks and 8500s will still use some of it post-D+. Heuston, Spencer Dock, Connolly, and Pearse/GCD could all have a few units stabled. Further away from CC, Bray, Greystones, and M3 Parkway all have sidings too.

    I am also probably forgetting other stations that can stable trains over night. The only place I suspect can't is Inchicore because of the OHLE layout described in the D+SW docs. I don't think EMUs will have access to Inchicore.

    There really should be plenty of capacity, not just for D+ but for further in the future as frequencies continue to increase. Honestly, I don't think we will have to worry about more stabling capacity until after DART underground, as that could double post D+ freq.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,149 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Maynooth has sidings, beyond the long siding that will become part of the dual tracking. Could probably stable a 10 car. Can't get the RO drawings list on the website to load to see if they'll be electrified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Already a lot of it cleared of scrap trains. More sidings pulled up for track relaying a couple of weeks ago, old trains shifted, and some locos set up for transfer to Connolly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    No electrification inside Inchicore so can't be used for stabling

    Major need currently for space to park the avalanche of DART+ fleet which is about to rain down on them

    Between Bray and Fairview already takes 144 carriages so equivalent of 36 units, and there is space to take up to 43



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭GerardKeating




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,725 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The place which hasn't been mentioned here in relation to train storage, and the place with the greatest strategic need, is Hazelhatch. Apart from Heuston, it is isolated from the other DART storage locations.

    The line from HH into Heuston is going to be quad-tracked so huge capacity, I don't understand why they'd risk operational issues by regularly moving stock from/to other lines. Even storing trains to Heuston seems to have the potential for unnecessary issues given how busy it is/will be and it is constrained enough already.

    I have thought for a long time that Hazelhatch was the logical place for overnight stabling and basic cleaning of D+SW trains. It'll be at the end of a busy line and has plenty of space. Maybe they'll do something there but I haven't yet seen any indication that they will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Battery fleet will be based in Drogheda

    In the commissioning/test phase Inchicore will store sets awaiting testing and also those sets ready for service once ERA/CRR issue the paperwork



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    All scrap trains cleared from the lined section. Tracks already lifted, and works being completed to make space for storage of the new trains.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭OisinCooke


    Anyone have knowledge of what happened to all of the stock?

    I saw the 141s out on the main siding over the weekend, and I’m aware that the 2750s were scrapped/sent to Maam Cross, but what about the 2700s, 8200s, flying snail coaches (and whatever else I’m missing)? Hardly all scrapped?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    All the 8200 and 2700 are scrapped an odd one remains but are not at Inchicore, the 141/181 are/will be moved to Connolly shed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    Great to see all that scrap moved out of Inchicore. Thanks for the update!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭OisinCooke


    In a bit of a positive mindset this morning and was just thinking about the electrification and double track extension to Kilcock, specifically the part of the track that they’re realigning more inland from the canal to avoid a flood plan.

    This will be the first piece of double track railway we’ve built from scratch in quite some time (is it possible nearly a century?), but it will also be the first time ever that we have built a stretch of brand new railway and electrified it from the get go!

    Now it is a bit embarrassing that it’ll be nearly 2030 by the time we as a nation are building are very first stretch of new double track electrified (main line - not counting Luas…) railway, even moreso that it’s technically only a few hundred metres of new track… but I suppose it’s a positive step in the right direction.

    Navan is only a few years down the line after that, and beyond that, yes it might be a while until we get new electrified railway in the likes of the Kildare bypass or the fast line to Drogheda, but it is a small little milestone for us in some way!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    I think the Cork Midleton project is the first new double track rather than this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,149 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I think they mean an entirely new alignment, as Cork Midleton is widening an existing single track railway.

    The only entirely new alignment in ~100 years otherwise is the Lavistown Curve, excepting private freight sidings that have been built (and mostly gone since anyway); and it's single track.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    In releation to siding space, it looks like they are expanding the siding space at Malahide Quarry, possible adding another road. This was used extensively when the 8520 sets were being delivered and tested during the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭OisinCooke


    Yes, that’s exactly what I meant, brand new alignment, not including doubling of existing track.

    In retrospect I suppose we had Clonsilla - M3 a while ago but again while that was double track, it was an old alignment being relaid whereas this will be the first new doubled section in the country in ages, and the first new electrified doubled section ever!

    Interesting about Lavistown being the only one in the last c. 100 years that’s genuinely crazy that we haven’t built anything new since then.

    Then again we have so much closed railways that it does make more sense to relay on old alignment then create a new one, but still… interesting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,726 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    We are getting side tracked here, a short deviation around something is nothing to write home about. Its fairly routine to realign around structures.

    Lavistown is the most recent properly new line as in actually additional not replaced or modified. Mungret Limerick before that.

    The last new build two track line which is more than just a minor deviation was 1915 and is electrified today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,640 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    141s going to Connolly for use as spares. 2700 and 8200 scrapped, but down the country at the moment. Other older stock moved closer to the RPSI shed at Inchicore, out of the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭tnegun


    What are the 141's spares for the 071 class?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,678 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Spares for 141 and 142 I presume. Maybe also 175 (but that was originally acquired as a donor so who knows?).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Are they still in traffic or spares for preservation?



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