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Dublin 9th most congested city of 200

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    from the TomTom traffic index for 2025, it was widely reported, its the length and time of the commutes that puts Dublin at top of league. Indian cities might be highly congested but probably they not travelling far in those cities, and a huge amount more people and traffic need to traverse those cities compared to Dublin. Whatever about the survey it is what Conor Skeehan the former Dublin corporation manager revealed, that business and footfall in dublin city centre has fallen since 2019 but traffic congestion has increased and this is all designed congestion because of the decisions made since 2019 restricting traffic movement but not providing hard infrastructural alternatives like the most "progressive" cities do when they bring in such restrictions. Most of the decisions like cycle lanes and pedestrianised streets are "performative" and "theatrical" without consideration of the consequences on the overall movement of the city as that is always someone else's problem to deal with here.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,528 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Firstly Skehan was never Dublin City Council chief!

    Secondly, while he may well be correct in lamenting the lack of infrastructure, spending money digging tunnels under the city for cars is not a prudent way to invest! We need massive investment in public transport infrastructure both in Dublin and nationally.

    As for cycle lanes, this is a false target given that while their condtruction may facilitate uptake in that mode of travel, it's budget is miniscule overall. Presumably the reference to it was simply to irk some newstalk listeners into thinking that they should text the show on their nonsensical belief that cycle lanes are what causes traffic congestion.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 EVBusFan


    Looking more at a specific intervention (which I do recognize can fall victim to selection bias), do you think the Parliament Street traffic free project was performative?

    The council have data for footfall in the area from before and after the "theatrics" so that might offer some insight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    Well obviously if you pedestrianize a street the footfall on that particular street would increase. However it is the overall footfall and business activity that has declined in the city centre as a whole.

    You are confirming the point i was making the decision makers hone in on their own special interest in this case parliament street and ignore the repurcussions on traffic movement in the rest of the city. They get the teatrical kudos for that but dont have the responsibilty of the repurcussions on the rest of the city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Is was bad in 2019 as well. It's always been bad.

    "..Last year, a study by Dublin Chamber found that almost 75% of companies in the capital had experienced negative effects on their business due to traffic problems...."



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,049 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Well obviously if you pedestrianize a street the footfall on that particular street would increase. However it is the overall footfall and business activity that has declined in the city centre as a whole.

    There is a fairly obvious reason overall footfall may have decreased in the city centre since 2019. Thankfully the number of people travelling by bus has actually increased so that's a positive.

    I would be curious to see the data behind the lower business activity though?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,195 ✭✭✭techman1


    would be curious to see the data behind the lower business activity though

    The working from home phenomenon where alot of office workers are no longer in city 5 days a week, alot of civil servants traditionally worked in city centre and they have been most liberal in being allowed continue WFH.

    Also the restrictions on car access during and since covid has reinforced the fall in business activity. They used the enforced fall in traffic during covid to bake in traffic restrictions pretending that this was the new normal. In reality it wasnt natural but enforced.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,528 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Also the restrictions on car access during and since covid has reinforced the fall in business activity. They used the enforced fall in traffic during covid to bake in traffic restrictions pretending that this was the new normal. In reality it wasnt natural but enforced.

    In your view, part of the reason why there has been a decline in Dublin city trade is because of the traffic restrictions yet we're discussing how Dublin is ranked 9th out of 200 for chronic traffic congestion which would indicate that traffic is not being restricted (except by itself).
    So, which is it?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Theres been a shift to online shopping also. Why drag yourself into city center to get an item that's not in stock and online it's half the price.

    Price of food and drink is eye watering as is parking.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,310 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    certain types of businesses are probably being outdone by online shops but i was in city centre today and it was absolutely rammed, nice weather helped. it's also amazing to see how little footpath is given to pedestrians on dame street and other areas given how much they outnumber cars and buses, it's mad they've kept it this way till now but i suppose the idea was to keep kicking the can of pedestrianisation of college green etc. down the road.



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