N40 - Cork South Ring Road upgrade [early planning underway]

Will this be enforced though? The road improvement delivered before people move in.

One of the biggest issues I have is massive developments getting planning with zero amenities or infrastructure associated with these new developments. So we all have to drive everywhere, everyday to access the most basic services and then we wonder why traffic around Cork is so bad.

I live in a newish development and was supposed to get a creche, shop etc 15 years later, nothing is delivered and the creche aged kids have aged out. You coundn't make it up, Drives me mad!

Didn't the extension of the N40 slip back towards the tunnel (presumably seperate to this) get bogged down in an utterly ridiculous judicial review?

There has to be an obligation for good planning, sustainable planning that builds actual communities, not American type suburban sprawl where no one knows anyone.

This plan has to come from the developers and has to be enforced by the council.

I'm not saying every development has to have these resources.

But for example if there are 3 new huge adjoining housing developments in carrigaline:

Estate 1 - 500 houses - has to have a crèche

Estate 2 - 500 houses - has a playground

Estate 3 - 500 houses - has a shop/GP

What we have at the moment is over a 10 year period you might get 1,000+ houses rammed in somewhere with zero amenities planned or in some cases planning for a shop or creche or whatever, and nothing gets built, nothing gets enforced. It just makes no sense. And then traffic is nuts in a place like Glanmire or Carrig or wherever cos we all HAVE to drive.

Bad planning, bad enforcement

I'm lucky enough to live in an estate where the next estate has a shop (Broadale) and excluding the boom from the building work ongoing nearby the shop is busy excluding this, honestly it'd a fantastic resource for a litre of milk etc but not a full shop. I think we need to be realistic in this, the shops need to be of a size where rent and rates are not a barrier to business.

I'd propose that it be based on time and distance rather than size exclusively, I think this will encourage greater permeability through estates as developers ensure they can take advantage of local resources (again example I'll use here is Broadale/Mount Oval where there is no connection that means I go to the village for a pint not my "local" in Mount Oval).

If I cannot walk (and I think this should be based on a reasonably fit OAP/mother and pram not a 35 year old who does 10k for fun) to a shop/GP/Dentist/Barber/pub/public transport connection then I think the planning system has failed.

The developers would not be best placed to run a Spar/coffee shop/crèche etc. They would have no onus on them beyond providing the buildings. They could let or sell the units.

There is no main road with buildable plots in Carrigaline, though. Janeville is right up against the R611 and N/M28. Unless developers build these units as part of the residential development (as they should), they will never be built (in this instance, there is nowhere to build them). Expecting developers of residential areas to provide buildings that can house services for those future residents isn’t a controversial take. The developers should be required to build them, even without a pre-let

Mount Oval is the absolute gold standard for the development of residential areas in cities (minus the lack of a bus using the spine road), but I appreciate that isn’t always possible. Broadale is the next best thing, and absolutely something we should be striving for. Janeville is surely even bigger than Mount Oval and yet does it have a single building that isn’t a house? Maybe a creche?

Sorry late back to the thread. As exaplained above already I don't expect developers to run a shop. But either lease or sell the building. But they are getting planning based off these proposed amenities. Over the years I have seen countless announcements "248 houses with associated creche", we all know the creche won't get built or might be built 10 years after the estate is built when the majority of the target kids have aged out!

I'm not familiar with Lucan but a place like Carrigaline is similar I presume. Back in the 80s/90s when development really kicked off those new estates were close to the village, to the shops and schools, walkable but as Carrig has sprawled out, the huge new estates are very far away and no longer walkable into carrig.

What I am calling for is maybe 1 in 2 or 1 in 3 of these huge new developments to have something, 1 shop, 1 creche , 1 playground…..

Janeville has an old peoples home……..which is great but makes no sense as there will be 2000+ kids here, they need a crèche and playground and a local school.

So all the good people in Janeville have to drive into Carrig for school each morning, drive into Carrig Sat morning to go to GAA or soccer training, and we wonder why traffic is so bad……..

Some great examples here, Ardkeen area of the city I guess is well planned, massive growth there in Waterford on that side of the city.

But as you said the council provided land to support this growth for a Tesco, pub, restaurant etc etc

I don't see much of this happening in new developments, especially in Cork. Massive developments being rammed in with very little or zero amenities or infrastructure to support all the new builds. So everyone drives, there is no sense of community as people have nowhere to meet up like a playground, or a local shop or a pub (coffee shop nowadays!).

I understand a creche is hard to manage and keep going. But surely a centra or a spar could make a go of it in 1,000 house estate. 15 minute walking city my arse!!!