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EV Charging with no driveway

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    This thread IS mostly people who don't have an EV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Still don't see anything in there to suggest that there's a good chance of a tax per mile system for EVs coming soon

    Care to clarify?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Yeah doesn't mention "charging drivers for road use by distance" at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yeah but at which point does it say it's "coming soon"

    You do understand the meaning of "coming soon" right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    It's always so easy to spot the people who are absolutely desperate to badmouth EVs



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  • Subscribers Posts: 32,919 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    I think unfortunately it's likely an EV based replacement for fuel duties will be introduced in the coming years. What shape that will take, who knows, but it'll be a kick in the teeth, especially for people who mostly use public charging as those are every bit as expensive as using petrol/diesel (war inflation notwithstanding). At least when the price of ICE fuel goes up it might come down, I doubt the cost of using public EV chargers has ever reduced, or likely will ever come down.

    Government maybe want to see how the UK one goes first before announcing their own one, but I suspect by 2030 there will be something in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    especially for people who mostly use public charging as those are every bit as expensive as using petrol/diesel

    As someone who entirely uses public charging - no, it is absolutely not every bit as expensive as using petrol/diesel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's gone from not discussed anywhere. To implemented somewhere, to being planned by irelands closest neighbour. To discussed in Ireland by a fiscal statutory body.

    So completely off the radar as you say. No mention of it anywhere.

    It's not like anything currently happening that might bring attention to the disparity in fuel costs and tax on fuel.

    And isn't that what this thread is about FOMO on cheap fuel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It was a simple opinion. I think most people here will find kerbside charging a complete pita. Especially with high mileage.

    The exception to that is someone who has the patience and use patterns to be work around public chargers and manage that. If you can do that now you'll manage a kerbside charging no problem.

    Nothing stopping anyone from buying or leasing an EV and trying it for a year or two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,602 ✭✭✭✭josip


    They're getting quieter as their FUD is gradually being show up for what it is.



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  • Subscribers Posts: 32,919 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Any time I have to use it (as an occasional user who uses PAYG at EBS chargers), for 40kWh it'd cost me €26.60 for that, which would probably get me 200km. Maybe for those who use it regularly there are cheaper ways to get it using a monthly subscription cost or something, but at the costs I pay when using public chargers, it certainly isn't much cheaper than using other fuels (before the current price spikes). Maybe given I don't have a need for monthly subs to unlock better pricing I'm comparing apples with oranges though.

    Thankfully I have a home charger though (but had to get it installed across a pavement in an estate, relevant to the topic at hand).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The money gained from our fuel duties at the moment will go towards paying the fines for not reaching our ESR emissions reduction target. So as the income from fuel duties goes down so too will the fines, which current estimates are €26bn

    The cost of EV chargers run by ecars and Tesla have both reduced and increased in recent times. At its peak ecars were 69c/kWh, they currently stand at 66c/kWh. Some Tesla charge rates can actually differ by the time of day, as low as 33c in Mahon point overnight for subscribers and Tesla vehicles

    There's roughly a 3:1 ratio at play when comparing electricity to liquid fuel. With diesel at €1.99/L you're saving as long as you are paying 66c/kWh (conveniently the ecars price) or less for your electricity. Obviously different cars will have different efficiency levels but on a more general scale the 3:1 ratio is a good one to use

    So you agree then you were wrong to say it was coming soon? I'm glad we worked that out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    As I said before, I have a Countryman U25 with 22kW AC charging, which means I can generally get at most 54c/kWh (the eCars price) for the vast majority of my public charging.

    If I wanted to, I could get an ePower subscription (as there are a few 22kW ePower chargers near me) and that would be down to 47c/kWh.

    Or when I'm up north there are options like Weev which are a wee bit cheaper.

    Worst case scenario would be Blink's network, which is quite widespread in car parks in the city and in Belfast, but is 65c/kWh.

    That's all obviously higher than the rate I could get with a home charger, but as @Red Silurian points out, it's still below the cost of running a diesel or a petrol engine.

    Now, I didn't buy an EV because I cared about it being cheaper to run, I personally was far more interested in (a) the environmental impact and (b) EVs being just magnitudes more pleasurable to drive. But I do think the running costs still work out for the positive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    "... Coming soon…"

    How about... imminent. Around the corner. Any day now. Here before you know it. On the horizon. Fast-approaching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Alternatively one could say - "not even discussed by government yet" or "will take a long time to figure out" etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,031 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yes, 100%, and they usually come across as looking like potential stroke victims with random words just being thrown out

    At 47c/kWh you're effectively paying €1.41 per liter equivalent. If you told a diesel driver he'd get fuel for that price but he'd have to refill his car in while he sleeps he'd probably throw his arms around you haha!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,972 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Usually People say Tesla or Ionity can be among the cheapest when travelling with a subscription. I've no idea. I just use the one that's most convenient and likely to be free. Like you I only public charge about 5% of the time.

    If you're using chargers local to you it's going to depend what's nearest where you live. When I didn't l have a home charger for me that was the local AC ESB at the train station or if I didn't want to wait hours at 7kW. Then the High speed DC charger at the local shopping center. Other times I'm at a match or something I'll just use the one that's near.

    Kerb side charging you're going to be fighting for that space nearest your cable. Or where the pole is. I noted when in the UK the lamppost chargers sometimes had a dedicated space. Often they didn't though. I thought that would be a pita.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    I wonder does the use of the word usually indicate you’re going soft in your old age😀

    Yes, 100%, and they usually come across as looking like potential stroke victims with random words just being thrown out



  • Subscribers Posts: 32,919 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Ya, for kerbside charging to be an excellent solution it needs to be widespread and not too expensive. The occasional location here and there is little good to anyone. Obviously it's not anything that can be rolled out overnight, but it should be viable to do many different points on a street in one go if the will was there, and then when enough streets are done it's a fact of life and makes owning an electric car less inconvenient for those that need it.



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