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EV Charging with no driveway

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 164 ✭✭Phen2206


    One thing we all agree on is that nothing will move quickly with this issue, but at least it is being talked about by the powers that be.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/electric-vehicle-charging-dublin-city-6978201-Mar2026/

    Seems that Ray McAdam is pushing for the private wires bill to facilitate on street EV charging, exactly what this would mean is unclear but fingers crossed something will come of it.

    One new piece of info in this seems to suggest DCC may have had a shift in attitude toward the issue:

    "At the end of November 2025, the council’s strategic policy committee Climate Action and Urban Resilience carried a motion committing to “developing and adopting a clear policy framework and associated processes to enable residents without off-street parking to install kerbside electric vehicle (EV) chargers, drawing on the recent Private Wires Policy Statement (July 2025) and the Direct Lines Bill from the Government, and relevant UK and German best practice."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Free charging is gone.

    Reduced tolls is gone.

    Grant for home charger is reduced by 50%

    Grant for new EV reduced almost in half.

    PHEV Grant removed

    VRT and BIK changing after 2025

    It's there any penalties for buying diesel for example? None.

    Good chance tax per mile will come in only for EVs soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    He's right. Ireland is an outlier across Europe in terms of diesel car popularity. No one cares that we fill our cities and beside schools with idling diesels. Pollution is a myth. We'll be back to coal soon.

    If you don't have home charging there is zero incentive to have an EV. What is there is reducing every year. Buy a diesel suv. No downsides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's there any penalties for buying diesel for example? None.

    Higher cost of fuel, tax, donedeal reporting today that ICE cars are costing 11% more to buy than EVs. Eventually every new car will be electric so chances are in a few years filling stations will be getting replaced by high powered DC chargers and could cause issues with people trying to find fuel for their cars. A bit like the reverse of the early days of EV tech

    Good chance tax per mile will come in only for EVs soon.

    Do you have a source for this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭granturismo


    Last year, the UK government discussed bringing in car tax for EVs based on milage per annum.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I heard that rumour as well and how it might or might not happen in 2028, I was asking for the source on the "good chance" and the "soon" part of the claim though.

    I also assumed that since all of the previous points were Ireland specific that the OP meant a measure that would affect us here in Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,126 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    But his was the only one anyone complained about with 3 if not 4 others on the same street…more to the story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,438 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    NZ has it already, also applies to diesel as there's no duty on it there, and they're planning to move petrol vehicle over to the same system to replace duty.

    https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/road-user-charges/about-ruc

    bad news for pedants who like to point out "it's motor tax, not road tax!"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Nor sure where you live, because most of the scooters I see are legal. Some scrotes are using the illegal ones, but they are a minority.

    Should we ban all cars because a few people break the law when driving?

    What’s your opinion on EVs in general? Do you own one? Or do you own a diesel ?

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It's a logical conclusion based loss of motor tax income. Which started with the shift to diesel btw. Look at NZ experience.

    Cost to buy and run is offset by depreciation. It depends on how you use it. Mileage per annum etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I see them all over the city. Courier have eScooters and eBikes. They are fast or faster than the car, heavy suspension etc. no one pedaling of a bone. No way any of them are legal.

    The majority of the legal ones you'll see the odd one.

    They are already banned.

    Love EVs. Think the Govt is dragging it's feet and even going backwards on transition from diesel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 164 ✭✭Phen2206


    Doing a bit more research into the whole topic, it seems the department is currently preparing a strategy on charging infrastructure for 2026-2028, and there's a public consultation currently open here: https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=XopdSBarK0SWzQ37Kc61_V_uTa2E2sdLvBudE-6POsRUMERXN0daMDBENUpIVUZOUEtXWVY2NDVCQy4u

    I'd encourage everyone who'd like to see legal on-street home charging options to participate in the survey and have your say.

    Looking at the draft strategy document itself which is here https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-transport/consultations/draft-national-ev-charging-infrastructure-strategy-2026-2028/ , there are a few interesting bits. It expands more on the aim of the private wires bill and is actually quite clear that the intention is that it will allow a 'private wire' from your home charger across a path to your EV. That legislation itself posted earlier is a bit more vague and sounded more like provision for commercial chargers. So thats definitely a positive.

    "ZEVI is also working with the Department for Climate, Energy and the Environment to introduce a flexibility under “private wires” legislation that will allow for a cross-pavement solution to be used to access a home charger."

    It also states:

    "Where residents do not have access to off-street parking but have adjacent on-street parking, cross-pavement charging may become a viable option. Cross-pavement charging consists of a channel-type device which is installed in a footpath or pavement and allows a private charging cable to be safely laid from a user’s home across a footpath to the vehicle. At present, cross-pavement charging is not permitted in Ireland due to private wires legislation. However, legislation to amend the private wires legislation and allow this to happen is currently being drafted by Government."

    It also talks about cross-path solutions in NI and England currently being trialled and it expands again on the private wires issue:

    "Following an extensive consultation exercise with industry in 2023, the government has decided that in future, private wires will be permitted in locations where they are, inter alia, a solution to allow on-street charging of EVs. This will be a significant and positive step for EV consumers and is intended to provide a framework whereby technical solutions can be implemented which will allow EV drivers, currently without access to home charging, to do so and to avail of cheaper domestic electricity tariffs – particularly when charging overnight.

    To implement this high-level statement of policy, primary legislation to amend the Electricity Regulation Act allowing for private wires will be brought to the Oireachtas by the Department of Climate, Energy and the Environment (DCEE). This legislation will be updated to provide clarity required for the provision of charging infrastructure for EVs. Supporting regulations to define standards and processes for granting permission for private wires will also need to be defined and adopted."

    The sentence at the end there is also vital when dealing with Dublin City Council.

    Positive stuff but talk is cheap. They need to get the finger out and deliver this stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    So what you're saying is you have no actual source for the  "Good chance tax per mile will come in only for EVs soon" claim and said claim wasn't based on the Irish market?

    I'm glad we cleared that up



  • Administrators Posts: 56,306 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I do wonder if these channels are just going to fuel the notion that people own the space outside their house or have more right to use it than someone else.

    Buying an EV without a driveway or similar just does not seem sensible to me, channel or no channel.

    Imagine arriving home late with a low battery to find someone else is parked outside your house. They've every right to be there, you'd just have to suck it up and accept you can't charge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    I live in an apartment, zero chance of ever getting my own private charger here, but I never struggle one bit.

    Part of that is that I got 22kW AC charging with my Countryman, which means I can nip down to Dundrum for some shopping, or to Marlay Park for a walk, and get around 40% in an hour on a public charger.

    And ultimately, if I had the same car and it had say 100-200km more range in it, and fast charged at 300kW instead of 130kW, I don't think I'd even pause to recommend that setup to anyone without a driveway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    It's not hard to be faster than a car in the city. I personally do my very best to avoid the city because it's such a horrible place to get in and out of. I used my little e-scooter to get from one campus to the next. Thankfully I was done with the city before Gards started seizing them.

    I'm sure there's a boat load of illegal e-scooters being used. Again, without people pushing back and using e-scooters to commute, then we would still be waiting for legislation. This conversation has become a bit too focused on e-scooters. I've said why I made the comparison, so let's leave it there.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,570 ✭✭✭creedp


    Agree not having a driveway or dedicated parking place and owning an EV are not mutually exclusive, simply more inconvenient. The biggest issue is that the cost differential between public charging and fuel isn’t big enough to incentivise all but the dedicated EV drivers to make the switch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    This is not about faster journey times. The limit is 20km/h. They are all moving much faster than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    It will decrease once the electric suppliers catch up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    They won't "catch up" quite as much, because the electricity supply is more diverse than just oil - in fact close to zero direct electric generation is from oil in Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    A minority of EVs have 22kw AC. But it's very handy option. If it has 200km more range it would take twice as long to charge though. You don't get 300kW the whole charging session either. As anyone with an EV will know.

    You can make it work without home charging. But you have to want to make it work, work around the limitations. I'm not sure must people have the patience or mindset.

    Someone on the Irish EV group said they did a substantial European trip in a HondaE from Ireland. Pretty impressive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I don't think the Electricity suppliers care. Very quick to pass on increases and slow to pass on decreases. I agree it will likely be buffered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 164 ✭✭Phen2206


    @awec I do wonder if these channels are just going to fuel the notion that people own the space outside their house or have more right to use it than someone else.

    That is a possibility yes but I guess it will be up to the residents to police that amongst themselves and call out someone trying to hog the space in front of their house. I wonder if it is happening where people have already installed charge arms; I know of 3 near me and would be curious to know if the rest of the street would say the owners are getting overbearing.

    Ultimately the channel is not the ideal solution of course. But for some people charging once or twice a week will be enough and they will get a spot in the vicinity of their channel twice a week and make it work. Then for the odd time you really need an immediate charge but Mary is parked in front of your channel - nip to the nearest fast charger and off you go. You could also buy an extra long charging cable and be able to park a couple of spots away from your channel and lay the cable parallel to the kerb (but obviously not up on top of the path). Not ideal and yes arguably a trip hazard but I'd say once there's legislation in place to allow such on street charging, it will be a lot easier to argue your case to a sensible judge if some crank decided to try and make a quick buck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    We don't need chargers outside for people to think they own the space outside their home. This is already the case. I've lived in my house for 40 years and if you park outside someone elses house, it can cause tension. One particular neighbour has left their deceased parents car parked outside their house for a couple years now. The car is mouldy and is an eyesore. They always blocked the kerbside with something so nobody else could park there….not even the neighbour sharing the same kerbside.

    Stay Free



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Yeah I have an EV, you don't need to re-explain the absolute basics of EV ownership to me



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,973 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    That why i said "…as anyone with an EV will know…"

    But others are reading this this thread who don't. They definitely don't know. It comes up all the time on the EV groups.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Let's just focus on the people who are discussing in the thread, please, not this imaginary audience



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