Women's rights under attack

I've just answered this. It's not that he gave his opinion, it's because he informed me that I don't know what the "real " risk to women's rights were.

And he thinks he does.

Would you see anything wrong with a white person telling a black person that the "real" problem of racism wasn't what that person had just said, but something else entirely?

Not "for having an opinion". For instructing me that I don't really know what the "real" threat to women's rights are.

You wouldn't say that to a black person posting about certain aspects of racism. But you think it's fine to tell a woman she doesn't know what women's issues are.

Nope, this is the third time now: it's for your arrogant belief that you have a better understanding of what women should be concerned about in Ireland than I do.

And how is it a "red herring" exactly, when we have women being sexually assaulted in prisons by transidentifying men, a boy winning places in the female categories in multiple Irish dancing championships, or when nurses are suspended and threatened with losing their jobs for refusing to undress in front of transidentifying men, even ones who have no GRC?

Why do you keep posting as though I'm making you debate me?

I didn't force you join in.

Did I?

But if you want to discuss other aspects of women's rights, please do - just don't expect me to agree that anything else is a "red herring". There are other aspects, but if you're going to just jump up and down shouting "Big Bad Trump" well that's been done and has nothing to do with us over here in Europe anyway. Plus there are threads for that.

I did respond to the poster who talked about women at work etc, so I'm perfectly happy to discuss other aspects. I'm not prepared to be told I'm being manipulated into believing in red herrings though. Not without pointing out how ridiculous it is for men to try to define what women are allowed to be concerned about.

No I'm perfectly happy to discuss all aspects of women's rights being threatened. I think I've shown that by the fairly long and (I think) thoughtful post I made in response to someone who posted about women/mothers having to work.

I think anyone who's being honest here will respond with their opinions, rather than by decreeing that much of the OP was a red herring. That's offensive, and you'll notice that the poster has posted multiple posts yet not actually discussed the issue other than his first 'Big Bad Right Wing' post - that's not discussion.

Oh and telling me I'm drunk.

If a black person were able to cite multiple instances of where trans issues had come in direct conflict with black people's civil rights, they'd have a point though. But that's not what's happening and that's why your attempt at rewriting the analogy doesn't work.

As for the women in your life - it's obvious that your opinions are pretty fixed on this, so maybe they don't tell you every single thing that they think?

I posted about transgender issues in the OP because I was told by a mod that we couldn't talk about them in the mass shooter thread, and that this would be a better place to discuss them.

I don't see a problem with the title. As I said, if people want to bring in other aspects I'm fine with that.

As long as they don't try to shut down parts of the discussion they don't like. Saying the OP is a red herring was exactly that: an attempt to close down the discussion, not to open it up.

As he's shown by his complete absence of anything else to say after that, other than personal attacks.

I wasn't talking about you. You didn't use the expression red herring, did you? So I'd have thought it was obvious what I was referring to.

As to the link with the recent mass shootings, it's relevant to women's rights in that recent mass shootings are apparently being recorded as crimes committed by women. As I explained in the OP.

It's a wide subject with multiple aspects. If you don't like the title, I can't help that.

But do feel free to bring in other aspects of women's rights.

Actually I was interested in your claim that

"so many young women being turned off the idea of feminism by people yelling stridently about what are very much not mainstream women's issues"

because I get the impression from talking to young women that they are in fact turned off by the official "feminist" groups in Ireland being so obviously establishment stooges, more concerned with parrotting the "correct" progressive opinions than about ordinary people's lives. And young women not being safe in changing rooms is actually one of those things that affects them.

But as I said earlier, the housing crisis is a far bigger issue, but the exact same problem arises: the left in Ireland, who one would think should be trying to solve that are as often landlords of multiple tenancies as anyone on the right. So it's in their interests to keep the media focused on all the other "safe" stuff that won't upset the apple cart for them.

Yep this is exactly the problem: silly little women apparently don't know what the "real" threats to women are, and with their silly little heads they get distracted by "noise" instead of by the real problems - which of course (what a coincidence!) are exactly the things the men care about.