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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,060 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    An "offence against the United States" requires some kind of federal law to be broken surely?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I doubt it. Podge was able to bring it up.
    Have you just tried putting "8 USC 1357" into Google or Yahoo instead of pasting the URL? Should show up on Govinfo or house.gov .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I saw the same CNN item with the retired FBI person offering his expert analysis of the Good V Ross shooting incident videos and it was abundantly clear he was of the opinion that Ms Good's car came into contact with Ross. The only certainty to come out of Ross shooting Ms Good dead is that he actually shot and killed her.

    The use of the words "accelerate towards the officer" [Agent Ross] covers a multitude. It doesn't denote a specific speed. I could argue that if Ms Good had accelerated her car fast at Agent Ross, as has been claimed repeatedly by DHS, the impact would have been hard enough on his body to PUSH him away from the car with some force and not just breeze past him after making a passing contact with his clothing.

    He was still in a standing position, pre the shooting, as Ms Good drove the car past him to the right along the road where it eventually came to a stop in the crash. His standing position [post the time Ms Good's car allegedly struck him with force] during his firing of the three shots, can be seen clearly in the video we have all been analysing and is undeniable.

    It is clearly a fact that Agent Ross did not comply with DHS/ICE policies of it's agents not to fire on cars to prevent the car becoming a future-hazard to people. It is clear that the only thing his firing the three shots succeeded in doing was kill Ms Good while she was in control of her car. The stopping of her car was an incidental happening following on from the killing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Trump is still intent on stopping the postal vote, making people turn up with I/D to vote, cutting back the voting time period and blocking votes being accepted through the normal legal processes after the voting day is done.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Yes. But as you can imagine, the federal statute book is huge. For example, you have 18 USC 372 or 18 USC 111 which cover 'impeding' an officer. I'm sure some relevant lawyer can come up with a number of other things which can be applied (I'm googling this on the fly)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭ronjo


    @Manic Moran I know you get loads of questions but can you answer this…. thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Frostybrew


    States; (4) to make arrests for felonies which have been committed and which are cognizable under any law of the United States regulating the admission, exclusion, expulsion, or removal of aliens, if he has reason to believe that the person so arrested is guilty of such felony and if there is likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest, but the person arrested shall be taken without unnecessary delay before the nearest available officer empowered to commit persons charged with offenses against the laws of the United States; and (5) to make arrests— (A) for any offense against the United States, if the offense is committed in the officer’s or employee’s presence, or (B) for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States, if the officer or employee has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing such a felony, if the officer or employee is performing duties relating to the enforcement of the immigration laws at the time of the arrest and if there is a likelihood of the person escaping before a warrant can be obtained for his arrest.

    Found it on a different site.

    You also have to factor in the right to protest, and the right to free speech; and the deceased victim was lawfully exercising these rights. In fact, the ICE officers by attempting to remove her from her vehicle, were breaking the law by denying her the right to protest. They were denying her the right to free speech by shooting her in the face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    He's not a 'fúcking moron', though. He is certainly massively ignorant of many things traditionally prized in a US president, but he doesn't care about those things. They're not his focus. His focus is upon accumulating personal wealth, adoration and petty vengeance. He correctly identified a dark undercurrent emerging through American society in the early 2010s and rode it to the hilt. Rode it to the presidency, then used it to protect himself during Biden's term, and then won the presidency again. If this makes him a moron, then I wonder what it makes everyone else - the Democrats who he's beaten twice and his own party who he has managed to purge of virtually all dissenting voices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,539 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I just don't get this Greenland thing, is there something we are all missing. I know he's not the first US president to covet the island.

    Defence- they already have a long standing treaty that they can expand as they wish in Greenland.

    Minerals - Greenland would welcome foreign investment with open arms but the reality is it would be easier to mine on the moon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,285 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    just a nutcase narcissist power-hungry man flexing his muscles. And as bad as he is, it’s his backers who are even worse!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 452 ✭✭tarvis


    the defence of Greenland is down to the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, of which Trumps USA - is the major member - and which organization Trump is currently doing his best to upskuttle.
    He has no case against Denmark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    When he invades Greenland he will also start WW3 as he will have to sink all those Russian and Chinese ships he continually goes on about hanging around Greenland in intl waters.

    Is there any evidence of such ships hanging about or is Stephen Miller filling him up with s*** as usual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    He doesn't even to have any concrete plans or intentions to take Greenland. A Europe that is spending diplomatic resources, intelligence, materiel & personnel dealing with a perceived threat on their western flank is no longer spending those same resources on the war in Ukraine. Similarly, a US that is in a (manufactured) conflict with Europe would cease all financial and military support to Ukraine.

    This mightn't be about Greenland at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,223 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    He is not going to invade Greenland! There will be a deal of some kind.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,539 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    That makes sense, strengthen Putin's hand and weaken europes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Stanley 1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,548 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    One of two saying out loud what is happening to the Fed Chair

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    Better late than never I suppose with this one....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭ilkhanid




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,311 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    The bottom line seems to be that law enforcement officials have the right to shoot to kill someone regardless of surrounding circumstances. Honestly we have known this and seen examples, for a long time.

    In this situation, the most that can be said about Ms Good is that she was being an irritant to them. She drove away from a situation, which put her close to an officer who placed himself pretty much in front of her, she attempted to avoid him by turning the car wheels away from him. It could be argued that by shooting her he removed her ability to steer, and did in fact increase his own risk.

    IF the officer was touched by the car it was so superficial that he was not impeded from firing his gun (and filming) directly into her head, three times. If she had driven straight she might have hit him, she didn't, she was pulling right. He had already taken out his gun, and committed to firing at her by the time she started to move, he could have taken a single step back and been out of even slight danger.

    She was not trying to kill anyone, the two officers were going out of their way to escalate tension, she had been quite relaxed as she was talking to them. For anyone, especially the President to suggest she deserved to be shot because she was sassy is utterly sick.

    Regardless of what the rules and regulations say, if any of this constitutes a reason for killing someone then the US is a very sad and sick society, especially considering that the POTUS and his appointees defended of the officer's actions, before it was even superficially investigated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,223 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    ICE Use of Force standards

    PBNDS 2011, Rev. 2016

    16. Deadly force may be used only when an officer has probable cause that the detainee poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or to another person. Deadly force may not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect.

    He had absolutely no justification.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,668 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    No one talking about the Epstein files now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,569 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Yesterday, Kristi Noem was still not withdrawing her statement that Good was a domestic terrorist



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭freddie1970


    just seen a video where a lad of 17 was dragged from his job in target slammed on the ground and then released later as he was a citizen .. had him crying after really hits home how bad this is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,154 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    US constitution isn't protecting its own anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    There's the plus factor for Ms Good, not that it was of use to her, that she was not a detainee nor under arrest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    It depresses me to say it but, putting an American contextual legal hat on and not an Irish one, there is probably a legally-defensible case that can be made in relation to the first shot the agent fired. Don't get me wrong, in my own personal opinion it's clear to me from the first shot alone that this guy should never have been near citizens in a law enforcement capacity while carrying guns. But I'm applying what the defence argument would be (i.e. the split second in which an officer gets to assess whether he / others are in danger) and the permissive leeway that is granted to law enforcement. Were it that shot alone, I think the defence would be able to work with it.

    I don't know if they will also use the narrative that he was involved in an incident before where he was dragged by vehicle. I've seen some commentators use that as a way of saying that this exemplifies the danger he 'knew' he was in — whereas I might be inclined to argue that it's indicative of an irresponsible officer who is getting himself into bad situations and not acquitting himself well in those situations (and that he was jittery and should not have been on duty).

    It's the subsequent shots though where the narrative really shifts — and likely the defence will have to shift too. He was clear of the car when he fired those shots. He kept his gun raised, trained on the driver, and fired two further shots with no good basis for arguing that he feared the driver was armed in any way that would pose a threat to him out the side window. The defence which applies to the first shot would in my view be very weak as regards the second shot, so the defence I would imagine are going to have to roll with the argument that he reasonably perceived others were in danger (ie, she was going to mow people down). It's a weak argument in the world of the rational, but this is America and gun violence — rationalism can be in short supply.

    But look, that's all the legal sh*te which ultimately masks the fact that these goons should not be anywhere near civilians while armed in a law enforcement capacity and being given seemingly immediate immunity by the top brass of government for all they do. And that's before we even get to the fact that they seemed to have denied a witness doctor to at least check her pulse. ICE seem to be becoming reminiscent of what the UDR were up North.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,311 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    How would shooting a person who was (you perceived) driving straight at you (she wasn't) make you safer? Alive there is the chance that they would swerve or brake if you were so stupid as to not step aside, dead, the car is coming right at you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    In connection with the Ms Good and Agent Ross occurrence, I'm going to write and post an observation on what I saw on the video. It is not a rebuttal, nor is it to be taken as one, of what I posted earlier about the occurrence. It became fairly obvious, from what Ms Good and her wife said to Agent Ross as he walked a full circle of her car, that she and her wife had spoken to ICE checkpoint agents previously.

    1. Ms Good talking to Ross "I'm not mad at you" as he walked past her from the front of her car down the driver's side of it.

    2. Ms Good's wife at the back of the car telling him that they didn't change the car plate while he was filming it.

    3. the next part of Agent Ross's video where Ms Good's wife was standing on the passenger side had him moving behind her.

    4. Back to the start of the scene with Agent Ross now standing again at the front of Ms Good's car, after which he shot her.

    It's not made clear if the two had met before but it's reasonable to believe Ms Good was a regular local keeping an eye on what ICE agents were doing in the neighbourhood.

    It's also reasonable to believe that it was not the first time that Agent Ross may have met people opposed to the ICE checkpoints being set up in their neighbourhood, given his "f***ing Bitch" comment after he had shot and killed Ms Good. From that, its reasonable to think Agent Ross was probably peeved at Ms Good and locals showing up at the ICE checkpoint for the purpose of letting the neighbourhood know they were there. He is a veteran of the ICE agency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,601 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I put it down to Stormy Daniels.

    A 2023 study by University College London`s Department of Experimental Psychology found that when men became convinced they had a small penis it increased their desire to own a luxury car.

    When he is being driven around in "the beast" then what else is there other than a bigger country to alleviating his Small Penis Syndrome (SPS)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious




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