Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

scuba8 · 12-01-2026 12:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140201#Comment_124140201

it is a very badly worded regulation. My interpretation would be that they are restricted to emigration enforcement and not general law enforcement like the police.

As a point of interest it seems to apply only to males and not females, ‘ before a warrant can be obtained for HIS arrest ‘.

everlast75 · 12-01-2026 12:53PM

I wondered why that company rang a bell.

Remember Rex Tillerson? He was a former ExxonMobile who became Trump's Secretary of State in 2016 to 2018.

No doubt they are or were thick as thieves.

Podge_irl · 12-01-2026 01:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140392#Comment_124140392

Standard enough practice in legislation, it is read as referring to his/her/whatever

My reading is essentially that they can detain/arrest people for a suspected felony while actively engaged in immigration enforcement operations. I don't think their mere presence constitutes being engaged in immigration enforcement. Courts can have fairly maximalist interpretations of these things though.

I am incredibly unsure as to what Good's supposed felony crime was supposed to be nor do I believe there was much chance of her "escaping" before a warrant could be issued - not that one ever would be cause again I don't know what it would be for.

Also realised I accidently deleted the link above:

https://www.govinfo.gov/app/details/USCODE-2011-title8/USCODE-2011-title8-chap12-subchapII-partIX-sec1355%26collectionCode%3DUSCODE

Tony EH · 12-01-2026 01:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124138958#Comment_124138958

I still cannot understand how people can be blind to the fact that Trump is destroying the US

Some people are just liars, to themselves and everyone else.

There's no great mystery to it.

ancapailldorcha · 12-01-2026 01:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140479#Comment_124140479

Some people are just stupid. Like, almost comically so. For instance, my aunt voted for Brexit because she thought immigration was too high, particularly from Turkey. She exclusively hired Romanians. Her friend voted similar because she was sick of Indian immigrants.

J Mysterio · 12-01-2026 01:26PM

Tillerson is not a fan of Trump. He reportedly called him a 'fuçking moron'.

Former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson painted a scathing picture of his old boss President Donald Trump as someone who made uninformed decisions that were not based in reality – a stark contrast to Trump’s top diplomat Mike Pompeo, who is heaping praise on the outgoing President in his final days in office.

“His understanding of global events, his understanding of global history, his understanding of U.S. history was really limited. It’s really hard to have a conversation with someone who doesn’t even understand the concept for why we’re talking about this,” Tillerson said in a lengthy interview with Foreign Policy conducted prior to Wednesday’s assault on the Capitol that was published this week.

Tillerson, who was ousted in March 2018, told the magazine, “I used to go into meetings with a list of four to five things I needed to talk to him about, and I quickly learned that if I got to three, it was a home run, and I realized getting two that were meaningful was probably the best objective.”

He added that he “started taking charts and pictures with (him) because I found that those seemed to hold his attention better.”

“I think the other challenge that I came to realize early on is there were so many people who had access to his ear who were telling him things, most of which were untrue, and then he began to listen to those voices and form a view that had no basis in fact,” the former secretary of state said.

“So then you spent an inordinate amount of time working through why that’s not true, working through why that’s not factual, working through why that’s not the basis on which you want to understand this, you need to set that aside, let’s talk about what’s real. I think that was as big a challenge as anything,” Tillerson said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/tillerson-foreign-policy-interview

Economics101 · 12-01-2026 01:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140405#Comment_124140405

When Tillerson resigned or was fired, he referred to Trump as a "f*cking moron". And 5 years leter so many have not copped on!

Tony EH · 12-01-2026 01:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124139647#Comment_124139647

Very bad statement to issue. Maybe Trump starts pushing the line that Greenland should be independent.

Indeed.

Remember, Hitler used Slovak independence as part of the excuse to occupy Czechoslovakia. Slovakia then became a client state of Germany for the next six years.

aloyisious · 12-01-2026 02:00PM

Trump's power of thought is limited. He does not see, or doesn't give a ****, that removing another head of state from office and taking him in cuffs from his country to the U.S has set a precedent for other heads of Government to include it on their own list of acceptable acts, that what goes around, comes around.

Likewise giving legitimacy to an agent of one of his Government agencies shooting a U.S citizen in the head and body three times by making lying statements as to the circumstances of the shooting opens the gates to other agency employees to read it as acceptable cos they know the boss will lie his head off about the next shooting.

Trump has destroyed the plausible deniability hidden clause behind his head of state electoral success. He is now personally culpable for every illegal and every unlawful act carried out by his agents. That includes any more martial invasions and any acts against federal agency heads, like the Fed, because he doesn't like being stood up to. The Don: its not business, its personal.

threeball · 12-01-2026 02:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140222#Comment_124140222

Theres also a push from Peter Thiel and Sam Altman to set up "fortress cities" for the wealthy and Greenland is earmarked for one development. Theres already one underway in Honduras.

Tony EH · 12-01-2026 02:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140371#Comment_124140371

This is like something a 5 year old would write.

Large bottle small glass · 12-01-2026 02:17PM

I was away last week on a family holiday and as I'm not on any social media and didn't use my phone a lot I missed this entire incident with the fatal ICE shooting until in a small sports group chat someone put up an image which when I reveres image searched I learned of incident.

Chat is normally entirely sports related but one word used was "gestapo".

Its a word that has been used in my quick read of this thread more than once. I find it bizarre

If the killing had been in a normal western country like Ireland, Denmark, France etc by a new branch of law enforcement who wear masks then that would have been somewhat understandable. But it the USA?

I'm really interested in the topic of police shootings in the USA and frequently look at the various resources including the Washington Post and Guardian data sets. (As an aside Roland Fryer had fascinating research on police killings which showed up something contrary to public perception regarding the racial profile of victims)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w22399/w22399.pdf

Police in the USA kill well over 1000 people every year and kill circa 100 unarmed people every year. Armed includes gun, knife, vehicle etc.

The sad reality, in a nation with so much gun ownership and concealed carry gun killings by citizens of each other is that killings by police of citizens are inevitable. Often these killings look just as bad as the recent death of Ms Good.

One would hope that the shooting can be properly investigated free from political interference but given the state of the USA currently that isn't going to happen. Trump really fcuked it with his prejudicial remarks. It certainly is one good thing about here where nearly all politicians most of the time leave justice to the appropriate arm of the state and keep their mouth shut.

Another aside but the suicide rate by gun in USA is off this planet. It really is a country in crisis where no one talks about the important stuff

eightieschewbaccy · 12-01-2026 02:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140575#Comment_124140575

I'd say it's more a case of not caring. I'm getting a distinct vibe that he's really pissed off by the disaster of his first term and the criminal investigations that followed that etc. So he's pretty much behaving like a child toppling a board game.

Seth Brundle · 12-01-2026 02:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140593#Comment_124140593

Demonstrating that Trump writing has improved!

Seth Brundle · 12-01-2026 02:57PM

Obviously the researchers all got it wrong...

The president takes 325 milligrammes of daily aspirin – four times higher than the recommended 81 milligramme low-dose aspirin used for cardiovascular disease prevention.
Aspirin is not, as Trump claims, a blood thinner. To thin out the blood requires the use of drugs such as warfarin, which acts on proteins in the blood. Aspirin reduces platelet aggregation (clumping), using a different mechanism, but does not thin blood out.

https://www.irishtimes.com/health/your-wellness/2026/01/12/trump-shouldnt-be-taking-aspirin-for-the-primary-prevention-of-heart-disease/

Grayson · 12-01-2026 03:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140616#Comment_124140616

It's a side note but the day of the bondi shooting, there was a mass shooting at a US university. Two of the students who were evacuated had been at a previous school shooting.

Imagine being at two school shootings…..

randd1 · 12-01-2026 03:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140827#Comment_124140827

Probably not that unusual in America.

Manic Moran · 12-01-2026 03:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124138839#Comment_124138839

So in that case, the officer was at the driver’s side door, then leaped onto the side sill after the driver started accelerating, then shot the the driver to stop him in a situation where until that moment there was never any indication of hostility or noncompliance. There was never even any remote question about the officer’s personal safety at the time of flight, the legal question to be decided was whether the justification for lethal force applied only because the officer was hanging onto the side of a moving vehicle at the time the shot was fired, which had caused a circuit split.

Contrary to your statement, the case very specifically does not address the legal situation for the event that in the run up the officer created a dangerous situation in the first place: On page 2 of the opinion:

“The court does not address a separate question about whether or how an officer’s own “creation of a dangerous situation” factors into the reasonable analysis. The courts below never confronted that issue, and it was not the basis of the petition for certiorari”
And this is even assuming you believe the officer created the dangerous situation in the first place.

CNN had a retired FBI agent on who gave his assessment, he stated the vehicle made contact with the agent, which would be impossible if she didn’t accelerate towards the officer.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/07/us/video/josh-campbell-minnesota-ice-shooting-vrtc

Now, maybe after ten days of frame by frame analysis with 3D modeling and everything else, it will be determined that no contact was made, but if it’s close enough that “after watching a dozen times” an FBI agent came to a different conclusion, it seems not unreasonable that the ICE agent felt contact to be a reasonable likelihood at the time without the benefit of post-facto analysis.

ronjo · 12-01-2026 03:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140837#Comment_124140837

if he feels contact should his first response be to shoot or move? whats protocol?

aloyisious · 12-01-2026 03:29PM

What surprises me is the way anyone who wants to use the word "POLICE" on clothing to describe themselves as police giving the impression that they are Police Officers [similar to the cop on the street or in the patrol car of the "protect and serve" variety] and are allowed to do so without sanction.

The ICE agents wearing vests bearing the word "Police" are of a completely different variety and are "policing" the U.S in the style of rounding up people regardless of the persons identity or nationality. That's not an "IMO" of mine but an actual description of what ICE are doing on U.S streets every day, in U.S neighbourhoods, workplaces, courts buildings and hospitals.

I'd be ashamed to support or offer, by way of an explanation - they are cops supporting law and order - if I were a person likely to be of a genuine law and order background, to what the ICE agency is now doing on behalf of the U.S Govt. I have to tell them that they have lost the plot, that they have been conned by Trump and are acting against the best interests of the U.S.

everlast75 · 12-01-2026 03:30PM

"Trump said during his interview with The New York Times that he regretted not ordering the National Guard to seize voting machines in swing states after his loss in the 2020 election."

So here's a statement of intent for the midterms (if there are any)

walshb · 12-01-2026 03:32PM

This “he may have felt contact” from the car… ok, even if he did, that very very slight contact had ended. He then was completely out of harms way and he then murdered her. Absolute no justification at all for his murdering her in cold blood.

To think this is ok, or that she deserved to be executed for this makes me feel queasy about our species!!!

Manic Moran · 12-01-2026 03:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124139388#Comment_124139388

It’s because usually the folks aren’t giving any benefit of the doubt. The whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing, combined with incorrect understanding of the legal situation. I cite and provide links to chapter and verse in statute or caselaw. How many others here have done the same on this thread?

If you go back a few years, I found myself in a similar situation during the Rittenhouse trial. I quoted law. I quoted precedent. (I have been routinely mocked on this thread for citing precedent… despite it being really damned important when discussing legal matters). I was not a popular poster on the matter given how certain the majority were of his guilt. And sure enough, the court case came out the same way I had anticipated.

I’m not always right, but there is actually some rationality behind my position. It’s not “police always right” but their situation in the US is not that of Ireland, no matter how much people might like it to be.

ronjo · 12-01-2026 03:33PM

If Trump had a massive heart attack and died today would much change with regards to

Greenland
Russia
Venezula
NATO

i have no clue to be honest but would be interested in peoples opinions.

Manic Moran · 12-01-2026 03:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124139811#Comment_124139811

Hmm. If the link again fails to work, just put the citation into Google and it will get you there.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1357&num=0&edition=prelim

Title 8 USC s1357 (a) (5)

Sudden Valley · 12-01-2026 03:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140908#Comment_124140908

I dont think JD Vance is as bull headed or confident in his own abilities as Trump or really has any deep ideology. He is more a puppet to his donors like Thiel so id say he would continue with the venezuala and Russia policy and would stay in Nato and not invade Greenland.

charlie14 · 12-01-2026 03:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140759#Comment_124140759

Hopefully he will switch to warfarin and take 4 times the recommended dosage.

Rawr · 12-01-2026 03:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140908#Comment_124140908

Greenland: This would go away overnight. «Owning» Greenland is a vanity project that Donnie wants to use to fluff his own ego. Beyond that, the US continue as before on existing agreements. Without Donnie this invasion plan just goes away.
Russia: Hard to guage with a pro-Russian like Vance. My guess is that with Donnie dying MAGA will lose enough of a grip on the GOP for traditional war-hawks to get their way (or to influence MAGA thinking without Donnie). They’d likely favor arming Ukraine and for the US to profit from that.
Venezuela: Likely attempt to use Maduro to install a compliant government that’ll let in US Companies come in an enrich themselves. Something along the lines the early years of post war Iraq.
NATO: This will be left as is. NATO is a channel for US Weapons sales and those companies are often supportive of the GOP. Mucking up NATO will encourage European militaries to source locally; which has already started to happen. Post-Donnie GOP will leave NATO well alone unless they want to piss off some powerful donors.

Manic Moran · 12-01-2026 03:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140392#Comment_124140392

It’s not badly worded legislation, you just don’t like the implication.

It is true that they must be conducting immigration enforcement duties before they have the power to arrest for any federal offense, but that does not mean that they are restricted only to arresting people for immigration violations once they are on duty. That’s pretty clear and not open to misinterpretation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140434#Comment_124140434

The difference between subsections a and b is the question of whether or not the offense is a felony. If the agent is present at the time of a minor offense, an arrest is legal, but if the agent was not present at the time of offense, an arrest can only be made for a felony level offense.

Like you, I am unconvinced that a felony level offense was being committed, but as the agents were very definitely present, the situation for (a) applies. In the larger context of the claim of “no authority over US citizens”, (b) is still relevant.

Frostybrew · 12-01-2026 04:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124140931#Comment_124140931

Thanks. Still unable to access the link either directly, in multiple browsers, or in multiple search engines. Is it possibly geo-blocked or restricted?

Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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