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United States as a Rogue state

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    For the US, maybe. The other 2, not a hope. And the US won't win a war against Europe. They couldn't gain control in the ME where half the population was happy enough that they were getting rid of horrible regimes. What would Europe be like where you're universally hated. Even the idiot Trump supporters we see on here would be singing a different tune if the US tried to take military action in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Frostybrew


    I agree, this is a very sane and reasonable assessment. The problem is that the current US administration is anything but sane and reasonable. It's a mixture of religious nut jobs, business interests, and outright fascists, who are now at the controls of the World's largest military and economy; and emboldened by 10 years of political and military victories, have their tails up, and are determined to use whatever means at their disposal to achieve their aims.

    To put this in a historical context, I think the Greenland issue in 2026 has a parallel to the Rhineland issue in 1936; and the US, like Nazi Germany, are testing the EU to see what they can get away with. I hope the EU have the political nous to defuse the situation in their favour. Otherwise we will be getting other historical parallels to the 1930s, with US Anschluss with Canada, and Iceland playing the part of the Sudetenland.

    Then you have to consider who will be playing the part of Poland. I hope it won't be us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭mulbot


    You also have to factor in, (and this sounds bizarre to any logical person,) that Trump is also a religious nutjob in bed with the Religious nutjob in Israel, alot of Israeli influence because they believe in this coming of the Messiah. Batsh** crazy stuff but it's a belief they have and everything they do is being hurried up because of this craziness



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,065 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A striking aspect of the last year is how Israel has been exposed as having virtually nothing in common with any EU country and much more in the orbit of Trump's US in terms of them being right wing, autocratic, semi-democratic, warmongers, strong links to religious nuts etc.

    It's quite baffling how European countries still refer to them as an "ally", allow them to compete in UEFA and Eurovision and so on….they have nothing whatsoever in common with most European liberal democracies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    If it comes to that, then we're 100% on the chopping block. We're the only possible land base apart from North Africa from which they could wage their war. We have the ports, the airports and nothing to offer even slight resistance. Time to resurrect the FCA with an emphasis on IEDs and drones.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    Trump 100% doesnt believe in that. I doubt he even believes in a God. Hes just hedging his bets in case there is a hell. He likes evangelicals because they're conmen, grifters who he can tap for funds and support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    The US are now on notice that if they move on Greenland, all US bases in Europe will be repossessed and closed.

    And I doubt they get any of the equipment stored there back either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Are you joking? Some of them took the Israeli side when the IDF were shooting at the Irish Peacekeepers in the Lebanon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    Different if they're rolling APCs past your house. Its easy talk shìt when something is 1000s of km away. Look at all the maga bitching about things that hurt them when they thought it was going to be someone else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The US needs a war every 10/15 years or so. Those armaments have to be sold to keep rich people rich. Lives don't matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭rogber


    Collective guilt over many centuries of antisemitism culminating in the Holocaust, and Israel knows how to exploit that guilt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,207 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    I know that and they don't care who they kill. All these Irish trumpers might find that out some day. The world can change in ways they don't comprehend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    They've blown it now with their actions in Gaza. Antisemitism has been thoroughly watered down after that especially when the term was being bandied about willy nilly when people were protesting their actions in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The guy is Austrian and not a part of Nato in any capacity. He has a small NGO that has spent 30 years pushing for Austria to be a member of Nato and advocates it's expansion.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,065 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    For sure, but the fact that Israel is an almost alien state to Europe is very noticeable. They are very much in the Trump MAGA orbit, share the same traits of lawlessness and war mongering and Netanyahu is in and out of the White House all the time. Could anyone imagine a rogue state like that being part of the European Union?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭amacca


    I think its a bubble but I'm not sure you can directly compare it to the dotcom bubble

    For one thing there's actual cash flow being generated by AI .....not near enough to justify the spend currently but its not based on nothing like before

    It's the incumbents adding to what they already have in play so new tech reaching a lot of people faster than during dotcom...one decision and everyone with office 365 can access the latest model etc....

    I know they always say its different this time before the collapse and I do think mag seven grievously overvalued for the most part etc but I honestly don't think there's going to be the massive collapse/popping of a bubble some think...maybe a slow lesser deflation (I'm also aware that sounds a lot like a soft landing 😀)....mind you the circular deals they are all doing with each other are worrying

    What could cause havoc imo is private equity/loans etc...that looks like a potential house of cards....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,154 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There absolutely is a bubble. Its not an AI bubble, its a billionaire bubble.

    When it pops, we need to fundamentally reorganize the distribution of wealth and assets.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,154 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    After the 2008 crash we nationalized debt, but ended up handing back the assets to the wealthy.

    It can't keep happening that way

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭amacca


    When has that ever really happened in any meaningful way without a war or disaster of some sort to redistribute wealth?

    The elites are hard shifted, they hold power and influence over long periods of time ...the ability to get these things is probably how a lot of them got to be elite.......even if the generations afterwards are morons they have natural advantages that tend to keep them there

    While I agree....Good look redistributing I say



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,154 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I agree but we are in the realm of a war or disaster now.

    Class consciousness exists on the fascist side. We need to be absolutely clear who the real enemies are

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,357 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm just pointing out aspects I agree with. It's irrelevant if you're the very first to say something. I agree and disagree with Trump. That ain't a fan of him personally. Unless he changes his chance on Ukraine it's impossible for me to like his overall policies as a president.

    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,357 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm on the verge of a site ban. Please don't rage bait me, I'm easily triggered especially late at night!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,257 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Not buying that for a minute.

    You pop up in threads and support trumps positions all the time. Saying you “agree and disagree” is a very loose whim, you’re just afraid to say you’re a supporter of his, so you just walk the line.

    It’s rather obvious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,006 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Declaring their independence might actually be the best move for Greenland. If they're not in NATO, there's no point in Trump attacking them.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,137 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is no "point" in Trump attacking them regardless. Also they don't actually want to be independent as they rely too much on Denmark



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,564 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't understand. How does not being in NATO confer an advantage in this scenario? Surely, the best thing for Greenland is to stick with Denmark and therefore with NATO?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,006 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Trump has been calling for a US withdrawal from NATO since 1987. He can't do it by executive order and it's unlikely he could get it passed legislatively (though MAGA are trying this, a bill was introduced in December). Attacking another NATO nation is the "easiest" way for him to get the US out of the alliance.

    He's a senile sociopath, he doesn't care about the lives that will be lost if he destroys NATO for Putin. Even if you don't believe the former KGB agents who've outed him as Agent Krasnov, there's no other logical explanation for his behaviour than that he's actively trying to help Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,564 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I see the rationale but I don't think that that's the point. I think the point is for Trump to do to Greenland what he's done to everyone and everything else he's encountered, strip it and bin it.

    I don't think it's about ideology or helping Putin. It's just Trump and the fact that he has the same ideology as a tapeworm.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,006 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Either way, the sooner he chokes on a big mac, the better for the world.



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