United States as a Rogue state

crusd

The US is now a rogue state. The last time a superpower behaved in such an egregious manner was with the British Empire in the 19th century. Pillaging the world for theri benefit with force and coercion without any consideration for the rights of anyone else. Enriching a ruling oligarchy while distracting their own population from the squalor of the ordinary people. This is gonig to destroy the US ultimately I think.

Cyclingtourist

'Rogue state' is coming home to roost.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058430783/united-states-as-a-rogue-state

The USA is not doing anything different to what it has ever done. If you do a cursory search of “CIA coup” you will see that.

Also America has over 750 military bases in over 80 countries. Each of which acts like a part of America.

America also hangs on to territories (like Puerto Rico, Guam) because of their geopolitical strategic importance.

The only difference to the past is the USA threatening a fellow NATO country Greenland/Denmark. I would not surprise me if a “deal” is reached where America can have a military base on Greenland.

wildgreen

It has been a rogue state for a long time.

Hurrache

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125087#Comment_124125087

They already have had several in Greenland, with one still active, and what's happening now is nothing like what it has always done with the CIA.

Wanderer78

it has been a rogue state since its creation, its a fundamental part of its identity, chomsky has more or less always stated this, its just becoming more roguer with this admin

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125101#Comment_124125101

The US only have 1 active military base on Greenland. Thule.

They will get certainly get more as part of a deal or takeover. They want large ports too.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125101#Comment_124125101

Ok. To me what is happening now is just more overt. Than the past CIA stuff. Just “louder” and more brash. In the style of their President.

Padre_Pio

The only difference is that their activity is being promoted by Trump and published in the media around the world.

Information would have been suppressed prior to Trump.

The US has military bases around the world. They're constantly involved in conflicts, though they haven't decisively won anything in decades.

daheff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125087#Comment_124125087

But they already have permission to have a military base in Greenland.

Pituffik Space Base, formerly called Thule Air Base, located on the island’s northwestern coast.

https://apnews.com/article/greenland-american-military-pituffik-space-base-denmark-746d67b1bc8e6681328a809787412495

Craig_David

Tearing up the relationships with their closest and most important allies in the process is certainly different.

Cyclingtourist

Anyone who thinks this is just 'business as usual' is deluding themselves.

gormdubhgorm

A cursory look at the general definition of “Rogue State” which has no formal definition. Seems to require Authoritarian leadership. America does not have that until that happens I don’t think anyone could credibly call America a rogue state.

Ironically the term was popularised by Bill Clinton in the 90’s.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125139#Comment_124125139

yup, we ve moved into something far more serious, and scary, dont be surprised if we truly do end up in a more serious war at the end of it!

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125139#Comment_124125139

What’s going to change the collapse of NATO? UN? Sure to me that is only history repeating the “League of Nations” came and went.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125145#Comment_124125145

id argue, chomsky popularised it more so, but thats debatable

Royale with Cheese

Going after Maduro was doing more of the same but doing so out in the open instead of covertly through the CIA. Threatening Greenland (and I think he will actually follow through with it) certainly isn't.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125158#Comment_124125158

Anyway when Trump leaves office eventually. The next in line won’t be as brash/obvious as Trump they will play the same game but more subtly.
For the small countries like Ireland it is in their interests to remain friendly with the USA, have business ties with China etc (who could have more of a case of being called a rogue state). Countries just have to play the game with the superpowers.

wildgreen

Cuba is a perfect example of the US behaving as a rogue state. The US has impoverished Cuba for over 60 years and the rest of the western countries have not prevented that bullying, might is right, we will terrorise you attitude from the US.

The whole Hollywood thing has conditioned the World to violence. I stopped watching american violence on TV programmes many years ago.

Cyclingtourist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125150#Comment_124125150

WWIII just history repeating itself?

yagan

Trump, despite the heavy make-up, is merely US exceptionalism personified.

I have relatives in the US who hate Trump yet they'll say things straight off the Trump bingo card without self awareness.

Venezuela is nothing new. It's just a manifestation of the US mantra of going where they want, when they want.

However without self awareness they are tip toeing towards the type of populous tin pot autocracy that they've been fond of funding and arming around the world.

gormdubhgorm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125191#Comment_124125191

The league of nations collapsing is an equivalence to the current toothlessness of the UN/NATO. That is what I mean. Without American support it is a farce.

Also WW2 was largely caused by WW1. The large superpowers still have similar spheres of influence and geopolitical clout that was created by WW2. Leaving America largely unscathed and the definite top dog. I believe the British treasury are still paying back the “lend lease” money until relatively recently.

ELM327

The only difference with current and past US interference is that the Don is saying the quiet part loud.

It's been a running joke at this stage for decades (even the subject of a brilliant film documentary, Team America - World Police), essentially pushing the "careful or we'll bring democracy to your country" for oil rich nations.

If this were a more normal regime we'd probably still be speculating about the "coup" being led by the CIA but have no proof.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125224#Comment_124125224

Precisely, although unlike this other clown I don't think that he cares in any way shape or form.

Cyclingtourist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125220#Comment_124125220

I believe the British treasury are still paying back the “lend lease” money they received from the USA to this day.

They aren't. Paid it off 19 years ago.

Homesick Alien

The weird softening of language around US actions in the media is worrying too. Trump intends to "acquire" Greenland rather than invade. Maduro was "captured" rather than kidnapped.

Cyclingtourist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125257#Comment_124125257

Absolutely, been pointing this out repeatedly.

plodder

The NY Times had a recent (and prescient) editorial about China having 28% of the world's manufacturing capacity and the US only 17% and only by cooperating with its allies can the US stave off a coming war with China. A future regime populated by sane people will recognise this.

This wasn't in the article, but by comparison, it was American manufacturing capacity that won WWII (along with the Russian body count). I remember seeing an extraordinary statistic. At the start of WWII the US and Japan had similar numbers of aircraft carriers (and similar vessels). The number was in the low teens. By the end of WWII, the US had built around 150 more. That was the extent of American industrial muscle, much of which is gone.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/12/13/opinion/editorials/trump-us-military-alliances-spending.html?unlocked_article_code=1.8k8.LccU.a8wlGGj9ewqq&smid=url-share

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125235#Comment_124125235

He may not care but others will. US vs Rest of Nato might be a battle he can win, but what if he has also pissed off China/India/Russia with his actions in Venezuela. The US is the global military power, but the comparison between US and "ROW" is not as one sided as it would have been in the 90's.

A remilitarizing Germany doesn't seem a negative now, even our communist president would have to agree surely!

Why does it always come down to Germany vs the US? Hopefully if it does, this time third time's the charm for the deutsche!

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125283#Comment_124125283

That ship tonnage expansion killed ship building in the US for decades after as they had a huge massive surplus of cargo vessels that would last decades. Asian shipyards were first to build deep water ships suited to the new TUI containers and Japan, Korea and China have dominated that segment ever since.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124125293#Comment_124125293

we dont have a communist president, shes just a bog standard lefty, with little or no power, so relax!

wont be surprised if eu deficit rules will be further relaxed, but for military and defense spending only