Meanwhile on the Roads...

How do you mean welcome back? This isn't a hotel and not everybody has the means to be in here 24/7

Not sure what you want me to say, if you want to believe that I'm some nob headed vroom nose loving boy racer driver with one of those ironing board looking yokes on the back of the car feel free. Clearly that's the picture you want to paint of anybody who doesn't don right lycra for their workday commute.

Hopefully some day you will realise that there's people in between the 2 extremes

Leaving aside the "just asking questions" while refusing to answer any in return…it's bizarre to me that someone would repeatedly pretend they don't understand something, then get indignant when it's found out!

That's the game. How many posts have been written in response to that type of contrarian poster in this thread alone? Providing information, facts, points, counterpoints, etc. is just a waste of time.

Their opinion doesn't even matter to them. They post purely for the reaction, not to share or gain information. They post, let others tie themselves in knots crafting honest responses, then selectively post again to keep up the engagement. Questions or responses that'd wrap things up are ignored.

mod note - Red Silurian is not allowed respond so please don't direct questions at them as they cannot reply.

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Apologies only getting the time to reply to this in detail now.

In my very first post on the matter I acknowledged that in terms of possible consequences they were not equivalent but in terms of breaking rules they are.

You don't seem to comprehend this difference so I'll use your own analogy to explain it. Flicking a cigarette butt out the window is not equivalent to dumping a mattress but do you therefore think that flicking a butt out the window should be made legal?

That is the argument you're essentially making about cyclists breaking red lights, sure it's not actually causing any real harm, it's not the same as motorists doing so. Would you advise your own child cycling to school to break a red light if safe to do so? No you bloody wouldn't and if they were hit by another cyclist breaking a red light you'd have an entirely different attitude.

Traffic lights exist for the safety of all road users, everyone should be obeying them for the safety of everyone, no exceptions.

The rest of your post descends into a generalised anti motorist rant as if every motorist is guilty of your grievances. I can only surmise you're suffering from an extreme case of cycle brain, where every motorist is out to kill and no cyclist has ever done anything wrong.

They're not equivalent in breaking the rules. By that logic, murder is equivalent to jaywalking and that's such a ludicrous argument to make. Yet you're still making it despite many users pointing out that 'equivalent' literally doesn't mean what you argue. I even provided you with a dictionary link. Something either IS or ISN'T breaking the law. You can't say they're equivalently breaking the law because, again, equivalent has a definition and that literally (again!) isn't how its used.

I've never argued that cyclists breaking the lights should be made legal, so we can nip that in the bud straight away.

I've never said it doesn't have the potential to cause harm (nor has anyone else that I can see), so we can nip that in bud too.

Traffic lights exist (and came into existence) for the benefit of vehicles, actually, and they primarily exist and serve the function to facilitate the flow of vehicular traffic with a distant secondary function of giving dedicated time for pedestrians to cross (sometimes, there's no shortage of signal-controlled junctions in Dublin still missing pedestrian lights).

I didn't make any 'generalised anti motorist rant', which is the third time you've been misleading about my comment.

Lastly, cycle brain isn't a thing but car brain has a scientific basis. So we can nip that in the bud too. Indeed, I doubt there are any cyclists on this thread who don't also drive? I spent this evening replacing the alternator on my car and am looking forward to my Christmas roadtrip, but apparently I hate myself for being a driver?

Like, why are you here if you're just going to waffle about "cyclists being disliked by drivers because they don't cycle respectfully" and ignore the literal definitions of words to keep making fallacious (and facetious) arguments? Other users had no problem discussing whether (or when) cyclists breaking lights was reasonable (if illegal) without making tortured arguments about equivalency, or insisting that its cyclists fault for drivers behaving aggressively or irresponsibly.

See a woman who set fire to a bus at the Dublin riots got 6 years. Killing a bus invokes a far greater punishment than killing a person.

Gotta love stickybottle too and their no nonsense, no vague "collided with a car" euphemisms. It's driver kills person on a bicycle.

@standardg60 what is it about cyclists that has you so annoyed?

It feels a lot more than just watching them sail (safely) though red lights. Are you prepared to be honest?

I'm perfectly fine thanks. Perhaps you should direct your question to posters making smart Alec comments about the poster and not the post.