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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    As I understand it, the ‘great replacement theory’ predicts that elites are intentionally importing immigrants so as to shore up electoral support, undermine western civilisation, or some other malign motive. I think we can dismiss that out of hand. But what the bogus theory predicts will happen is actually what is happening! - i.e. unprecedented levels of immigration undermining social cohesion. The Western establishment has been handed their response on a plate: they get to dismiss the great replacement theory as racist and delusional, and because it is so close to reality, they thereby discredit anyone warning legitimately about the effects of mass migration. And of course the media has no interest in challenging them on it.

    I wish i could remember where I heard it, but some NGO-type immigrant was saying that it’s not a replacement because no one is being forced out; if anything, it’s a dilution. But that’s hardly any better! We’re supposed to just happily accept being diluted? (It’s also another example of deflection: replacement can just mean that western monoculture is being replaced by multiculturalism - that doesn’t mean anyone is being forced out).

    Immigrants and their children don’t realise what it’s like to see their country’s demographics change radically. Perhaps the progressive language of ‘lived-experience’ could be used against them - they don’t have the lived-experienced of feeling increasingly alienated in the country they’ve known their whole lives. It’s gentrification at a national level, and we all know how much the left hates gentrification.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    The release valve in the economy is emigration… always has been.

    *of native Irish people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Think there's one or two knocking around from china, Pakistan etc as well Paul. They're not in your figures, are they ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,520 ✭✭✭Damien360


    Those that emigrated always lost their jobs so it's lost taxes. We are bringing in loads that will never work and won't be leaving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    The next 20 countries are less than 12k each. The racists proposing the great replacement Theory don't do Maths. The simplle fact is the largest group of immigrants in Ireland are from the UK, and the majority of them are from Northern Ireland or are the Children or Grandchildren of Irish emigrants to the UK. There are less than 700k people in Ireland not born in the 26 counties (Including people like Saoirse Ronan and Joe McCarthy), and half a million of those are European, but you hear no-one complain about EU, UK or US immigrants. Ergo the entire complaint of the the anti-immigration lobby ignores the biggest immigrant community in Ireland, Why? Because that community is white and European.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Have you seen the figures from countries such as Holland, Denmark on the costs/ benefits of African vs European migrants Paul? The US and EU pay their way more or less, Africans are a complete economic liability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    Have you done income Tax returns for consultant surgeons from Pakistan Enircon? They pay the way for 50 to 100 US or EU citizens. Brown and black people are just as capable and often more so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Oh dear we're back to cherry picking doctors and engineers. The unemployment rate for Nigerians was 40% here a few years ago. God knows how many on disability. I've only ever done income tax returns for my small business TBH and it's an absolute privilege to pay for those 40% unemployed and those on disability.

    Some in the refugee industry would call it white privilege I suppose!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Have a single one of you read this report?

    It's an unfortunate (stupid) title, but it's quite interesting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2025/1202/1546950-cttee-recommends-opt-out-of-majority-of-migration-pact/

    "An Oireachtas committee has recommended Ireland opts "out of the majority" of the EU Migration and Asylum Pact.

    The Joint Committee on Justice, Home Affairs and Migration has detailed its concerns in a report on the pre-legislative scrutiny of the Government's International Protection Bill 2025, which is the legislation to give effect to the EU pact."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,418 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    You tried to claim the 20% figure was made up by just picking the top 10 countries on the list forgetting there are more than 10 countries where immigrants come from, .Your figures are bullshit , the census confirms 20% of Irish residents were born outside of Ireland and this has almost certainly increased in the last few years.

    Why are you doubling down on your claim when it was fairly easily debunked

    The reason people dont have as much issue with European emigrants to Ireland is they almost all work and are well educated and dont look for special treatment .

    Loads of statistics from around Europe prove that migration from other EU and OECD countries is a net benefit for the country but from outside OECD countries is a drain on the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,165 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-41749656.html

    Mr O'Callaghan said around 23,000 people came to Ireland last year through family reunification procedures, including families of both asylum grantees and those with work permits.

    That is a Portlaoise or a Mullingar or an Athlone in just one year for reunification only, which is aside from the new IPAS at approx 220 p/w and the 350 p/w UA - Absolute insanity!

    The Migrants Rights Council of Ireland condemned the policy announcement which, they say, "changes nothing for migrant workers and in fact will make it harder for people to bring family here due to new fees and accommodation requirements". 

    There's just no limit to these peoples stupidity

    This and the last government will go down in infamy in Irish history for what they've done



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