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Greta Thunberg (Continued...)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,539 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You're telling on yourself here. If you genuinely think that everyone who attends a protest for Gaza or the environment is not doing so out of compassion, then that says more about you then about them.

    What piece of objective evidence have you to support this view?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    The same people would have been at the Ukraine protests but have moved on, as I said above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Ah right so no evidence at all then, no surprise there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭Potatoeman




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,246 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Her foundation gave money to Sudan.
    https://thegretathunbergfoundation.org/news/humanitarian-aid-to-people-impacted-by-armed-conflicts/

    And as far back as 2022 she's been campaigning for the people of Sudan
    https://x.com/GretaThunberg/status/1511601617807806464?lang=ar

    You know, you can just google this stuff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    So how then can you assert that they are the same people and they have "moved on".

    You feigned interest in the crisis in Sudan, that you clearly couldn't care less about, yet call out actual activists or people going to protests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,246 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    It's a catch 22. If someone only attends events for one cause then they're biased and don't care about other stuff.

    If they care about multiple things than they're narcissists who don't actually care.

    This means that they can claim the people are hypocrites whatever the person does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    If you want to do something for the environment then don’t holiday abroad. It’s a very simple and easy thing to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,152 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Why do the Greta haters always end up lecturing people on what they should and should not do to help the environment? Is that not what got you hating in the first place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,246 ✭✭✭✭Grayson




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    A month or two ago she went on holidays all the way from Sweden to Mykonos, just to save the planet. Wonder did she walk? I suppose she had to recover from her Mediterranean cruise during the summer.

    Reminds me of the time she sailed across the Atlantic to save the world but forgot to mention (a) the very large yacht was made, very expensively, from fibreglass, an oil based product (b) that to bring the yacht back a crew had to be flown in from all over the world.

    You have to admire her, as someone else said "she has discovered the secret for a work free life and getting all the good things life has to offer like nice meals and travelling the world to nice places while being flattered by the fools." 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    She is someone who takes principled stands on important issues in the world, and tries to highlight and publicise them in order to help others and challenge the status quo.

    Why this upsets people is anyone's guess, but those she upsets are almost always a putrid combination of ignorance and bigotry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    If you want to change the world, why not stop people like Patrick Kielty commuting by airplane for work? Every Friday he flies in to Dublin from London. That is unsustainable.

    On the other hand the airplane Kielty flies on may carry - at a rough estimate - 50 million ( 50,000,000 ) passengers over its lifetime, given it is in use perhaps 15 hous a day seven days a week. The very expensive yacht Greta sailed on to America costing a million euro may be used by only thousands of people over its lifetime.

    Will Greta thumb to the Late Late studios and give out to Kielty?

    On many levels, no chance of that happening.

    NB having been to Sweden recently, it is not the same Sweden of 40 or 50 years ago. Greta has done nothing to help that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    A microcosm to the macro. Who is Patrick Kielty to Greta Thunberg? She probably doesn't even know who that is. Frankly, that's a heap of bollocks that is best ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,246 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Firstly, when was she in Mycanos? Are you referring to when she was deported from israel to Athens? Because being deported to Athens wasn't her idea.

    Secondly, she travelled to the flotilla over land and sea, not using planes.

    Thirdly, she's not against using plastics and she didn't build the boat. Plastics exist. manufacturing exists. It's possible to be against unnecessary consumption and still allow plastic. Do you think that I'm against single use plastics in hospitals because I'm against single use packaging in general? they're different situations. We're not all as dogmatic and unbending as you. I can see the benefits in one while still being against the other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    A principled stand against climate change while travelling the world and having a larger carbon footprint print than the majority to raise awareness of a topic that we’ve been warned about for decades. It must be nice to live this life funded by fools that eat up whatever slop you dish out this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Who is Patrick Kielty? Only the host of the longest running chat show in the world, and the presenter of the main tv programme in Ireland. If Greta condemns unnecessay air travel - the likes of the squeezed middle escaping from Ireland to the sun once a year - should'nt she condemn the likes of Patrick Kielty who flies twice every week?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,246 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    That ship is entirely powered by renewable. It's also a sailing ship. How many tonnes of CO2 were generated in it's production?

    The average Transatlantic passenger generates 1000kg of CO2. The average transatlantic flight generates hundreds of tonnes. So you're complaining that someone hitched a lift on a boat?

    And are you actually saying that to be against the excessive use of commercial travel, someone has to go and protest at everyone who travels excessively. And if she doesn't go to RTE and complain to Kielty, she's a hypocrite? Thing that maybe you're setting the standard a bit too high there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    And without googling, what's the main chat show in Sweden, and what is the national broadcaster? That's right, you don't know. Again, silly posts that are best ignored. I'll take my own advice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Who knows how many tonnes of CO2 were generate in its production, but I'm sure it was considerable, with specials flying in from over the world to work on such a one-off, large custom project. And a French Newspaper reported that several crew flew to New York to sail the yacht back to Europe, after they took Greta from Europe to New York.

    If we want a serious discussion or debate on climate change, why not do it on the main platform in the country, the Late Late. Gay Byrne would have done so, as he often had debates on topical issues. And he did not fly from London every week and back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,990 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Why exactly would she have any awareness of Patrick Kielty or the late late show? This very much so reads like you guys being outraged for the sake of it. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Gay Byrne got his break on TV with Granada in Manchester and also did some work with the BBC.

    This was before he got the LLS job in 1962.

    He commuted each week from Dublin which was unusual at the time.

    I'm not posting this as some sort of "gotcha" it's possibly before your time and you didn't know about it.

    Times were different then anyway and environmental effect of aviation wasn't as well known as now .

    The entertainment industry has always depended on the talent travelling.

    From the wandering minstrel of the middle ages to stadium tours acts have moved around to find audiences.

    Think of all the bands we'd never have seen in Ireland, all the films that would never have been made in Ireland without international travel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,246 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    But that wasn't made for her. It was an existing boat that was making that journey and she grabbed a lift. The same for her return journey. She wasn't aware of, or responsible for the crew that was returning the boat. The boat generated zero carbon on the journey.

    It really feels like you just hate seeing a woman doing something like this.

    Also, you dodged the question about her holiday in Mycanos. When was she there and what's wrong with taking a holiday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Byrne got the ferry when he started out. He did not fly weekly like Kielty does.

    People flew across the Atlantic specially to take back the boat the Greta crossed the Atlantic on. She would have been better going on an airplane herself in the first place.

    As regards entertainers travelling, yes of course singers and so on do, to reach different audiences. Kielty is different, the Late Late is always, or practically always, hosted from Dublin.

    In 2023 Greta T. travelled to the Swedish city of Malmo to participate in mass demonstrations demanding a young Israeli singer be banned from participating in the annual Eurovision song contest. Greta Thunberg insisted that her voice be heard in opposition to the Israeli singer, yet she stayed silent as Hezbollah rockets set fire to thousands of acres and caused damage in northern Israel. "How dare you," indeed. She is well able to travel herself.

     She started out as a single issue climate change activist, then as interest that faded, she sailed across the Atlantic, which backfired as it just came off as “rich girl goes on sailing trip” rather than a protest. If she wanted to cross the Atlantic by boat, she should have done it on an old wooden boat, a boat that would cost a fraction the cost of the high tech racing carbon fibre machine she went on, all made from unsustainable materials.

    Now she’s on to selected war protesting, but ignores many many conflicts around the world. Her brand is diluted now, but would love to see her challenged on the Late Late Show. Byrne would have striven to get her, but no international celebrities want to come to Kielty's effort. Anyway Kielty would be afraid to have her on, someone would pull him up on the way he takes planes the way some of the rest of us ordinary plebs take trains.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,465 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    This is head of a pin stuff.

    He commuted by air because he lived in one country and got work in another.

    Just like PK and many other Irish people.

    All that stuff about Greta is just you saying how you'd like a young woman to live her life.

    She's doing it her way.

    Then you're bemoaning the fact that the LLS doesn't get so many international celebrities.

    And finish up complaining some more about air travel.

    How would you expect them to get to Dublin ?

    Post edited by elperello on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,968 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    You are only criticising her because of her stance on Gaza. Nothing else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    ”All that stuff about Greta is just you saying how you'd like a young woman to live her life.

    She's doing it her way.”

    No, she’s protesting for change yet lacks any knowledge of how that change would come about, all while travelling the world herself something that would not be possible under the changes she’s calling for, she supports causes that want fossil fuels banned yet we are not at the stage where that’s possible. She’s protesting for the government to dictate how others live their lives as realistically there would be no other way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    There’s plenty to criticise a middle class secondary school dropout with no life experience telling others how to live their lives even before she decided to hop on that cause, I’m sure she will be out protesting the UK government for their decades long coverup of grooming gangs too, or is that not popular enough.

    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

    Post edited by Necro on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Why lie?

    She graduated in 2023.

    https://www.dw.com/en/greta-thunberg-graduates-high-school-with-last-school-strike/a-65872598

    I'd wager she has far more life experience than most people her age with the work she's done and the places she's been.

    More whataboutery "Why isn't she protesting about X, Y & Z? That's awful of her".

    Your hatred towards a young woman is baffling.



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