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DCC wants to rename Herzog Park

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  • #212
    dmcdona
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124031949#Comment_124031949

    The irony - I believe you're quite prolific at copying and pasting from "humour" sites.

    Many readers actually appreciate being informed. But some just prefer to remain in their own little bubble of pure ignorance - just in case someone upsets their perfect little world with the truth or "makes a thread difficult to read".

    But it's equally gas how outraged and apoplectic the pro-israelis are about the changing of the name of a park. But when the IDF are caught on video executing two surrendered palestinians or claim two boys, 8 and 10 years old, posed an immediate threat and executed them, those supporters are nowhere to be seen. no surprise of course. i imagine them, fingers in ears, shouting "blah blah blah" when told the truth.



  • #213
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,565 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032011#Comment_124032011

    Well it's the right result but the wrong method. They're only pulling the motion because they'd have lost the vote when it became clear that enough FFG councillors had been called to order by the big boys in the Dail. DCC itself remains radically student unionish and will no doubt continue to pursue its ideological ends over the boring work of running the city, and regardless of the impact on Irish citizens or the country's reputation. This doesn't change that, quite the opposite - it allows them to continue to sulk like bold children who've been scolded by their parents, instead of acting like adults who will have to take responsibility for their behaviour.

    (That said, I'm relieved the humiliation of the country stops here. I'm just worried that this won't solve the problem of having elected feckless councillors who are only interested in performative virtue-signalling and that they will even get worse as they won't have been punished for it, preferably by being voted out.)

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #214
    pjohnson
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032057#Comment_124032057

    Or they have no interest in your blogs.



  • #215
    xhomelezz
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032057#Comment_124032057

    Nah, speaking for myself I would like if you ever feck off with constant copying articles or parts of it. It's fooking cheap, because you don't need to type anything yourself, bar from ' oh this is interesting piece ' shite. What I do on the other thread, is posting things I've found funny and that's it. I'm not trying to accuse other posters by something which is not there... And just to say I do get haaretz delivered to me in email daily.

    Can't speak for many readers tho.. I read it myself and I speak for myself, I don't really need to be hiding behind some made up masses.

    But some just prefer to remain in their own little bubble of pure ignorance - just in case someone upsets their perfect little world with the truth or "makes a thread difficult to read".

    Arrogance of this part of your post aimed at me suggests you are and were fully setted up on your opinion and won't move a bit. Which is fine, but there's no need for this.

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  • #216
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032058#Comment_124032058

    FF and FG have nothing close to a majority in DCC.



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  • #217
    nachouser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,929 ✭✭✭nachouser


    A few idiots in DCC does not mean Ireland is anti-semetic.



  • #218
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032127#Comment_124032127

    Yeah, I wasn't defending FF or FG, and I haven't looked at the majorities. I just meant the national equivalents in the Dail, as opposed to the SU version in the City Council. Reddy is PBP so I don't know if their "national" party is any less student uniony TBF so I didn't name them.

    But I'm definitely not defending FFG: IMO people like Simon Harris bear a lot of the responsibilty for this extremism gaining ground by creating the "mood music" as does Leo Varadkar when, for example, he claimed that little Emily Hand had been "lost" rather than kidnapped.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #219
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032208#Comment_124032208

    It is not about defending them or not. FF and FG councillors together have less than a third of the council - the idea they would have lost the vote because of FF/FG pressure doesn't really stack up.

    It is a stupid idea, and the response from the usual quarters referencing US lobbies and Jewish/Israeli lobbies controlling things just further emphasises how much it was not really done in good faith and has a lot of conspiracy gunk behind it. But had it gone to council I would be surprised if it had not passed.



  • #220
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032229#Comment_124032229

    But had it gone to council I would be surprised if it had not passed.

    So IYO who has stopped it and how, if not the higher-ups, ie the TDs in the Dail?

    (I'm assuming that the national/real government has panicked at the international response, and has told the stupid teenagers to clear up their mess. I'm not sure who exactly would have the power to do that though, nor how - eg by making it clear they wouldn't get grants or by carrots and sticks concerning future careers within their own party or whatever?)

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #221
    Podge_irl
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032235#Comment_124032235

    The Chief Executive for procedural reasons (something to do with legislation around how name changes are done).

    I am fairly sure the govt does not have much control over the CEO of DCC cause he is forever doing things they don't want/not doing things they do. Though I can't speak as to whether he has any personal motivation in any of this.



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  • #222
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032262#Comment_124032262

    So how/why would the Chief Exec be incited to call them to heel?

    (I'm from NI so I don't know the details of all this)

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #223
    Strazdas
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124031871#Comment_124031871

    Dublin City Council never even voted on the proposal. The idea was put forward by a much smaller sub-committee - it seems people like the Lord Mayor weren't even aware the issue was on the agenda until very recently (there was also a proposal to rename a small square in Dublin 1).



  • #224
    nacho libre
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124030388#Comment_124030388

    A defender of Israeli war crimes might be keen to suggest its more complicated to justify their apologism. I am sure Russian apologists would trot out a similiar line. The reality is the Russians and Israelis are quite similar in that they are both occupiers committing crimes against humanity upon civilians. You will rightly denounce Russia for doing so but as we see you will engage in despicable deflection to defend Israeli war crimes. You even stooped to posting a racist cartoon to ridicule the suffering of Palestinians. If,I or anyone else, posted a cartoon image mocking Israelis civilians suffering, you would rightly be digusted- as would your fellow travellers. You should have apologised for doing that, but you didn't, Sean. I wonder why.



  • #225
    kippy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032199#Comment_124032199

    100 percent, yet certain politicians globally have leveled that term at the whole state because of:

    1. The silly actions of a few.
    2. The justified criticism of actions undertaken by the Isreali government.


  • #226
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032334#Comment_124032334

    I saw Dermot Lacey say he was the only councillor to speak against it publicly. It sounded like the others were not going to oppose it. Maybe that's wrong though?

    https://twitter.com/LaceyDermot/status/1994893293013053799?s=20

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #227
    nacho libre
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124030403#Comment_124030403

    I can't say I am surprised at this turn of events. I knew this scumbag would never spend a day behind bars. He needs to be pardoned in the national interest, apparently. How about, in the national interest, holding an enquiry into his role in the events leading up to October 7th.



  • #228
    tayto lover
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124031981#Comment_124031981

    You'll break those toys. Go easy.



  • #229
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,041 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032388#Comment_124032388

    Says someone who already broke all the toys. Multiple times.

    You know I've never in my life called stranger genocider, but I did call out few clowns. Saying that, no disrespect to real clowns. It must be hardship.

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  • #230
    dmcdona
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032375#Comment_124032375

    It will be interesting watching this play out. Netanyahu has refused point blank to hold a full independent enquiry - even in the face of 80% of Israelis demanding it. What is there to hide?

    But as you say, its no surprise - he'd rock up to the ICC and clear his name, unless he has something to hide and now he wants a pardon for a crime he didn't commit. There's a distinct pattern forming here.

    Glad to see the Park thing is sorted out. But I can't help feeling the dynamic would be a tad different if it were previously named D J Carey Park and DCC were looking to change it…



  • #231
    tayto lover
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032439#Comment_124032439

    Nothing strange about your posts or the side you're on. If the cap fits …..



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  • #232
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,041 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032498#Comment_124032498
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/report-on-renaming-dublins-herzog-park-withdrawn-by-council-boss-ahead-of-monday-meeting/a318898078.html

    Just saying what is this thread about.

    It has nothing to do with Netanyahu.

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  • #233
    Tony EH
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124031871#Comment_124031871

    DCC has shown itself to be antisemitic

    Lies won't help you.

    But as usual, that is exactly what Israel supporters resort to.



  • #234
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,041 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032540#Comment_124032540

    But as usual, that is exactly what Israel supporters resort to.

    And again ..

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  • #235
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,069 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032536#Comment_124032536

    I was responding to someone else's post and points they raised.

    In case you missed it, alleged War Criminal #1 (at large) has requested a pardon from the son of the man who is a central part of this thread. And who pardoned terrorists who murdered Palestinians. All linked and all on topic I believe.

    Perhaps you just don't like the message?



  • #236
    Strazdas
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032358#Comment_124032358

    There was a vote on the renaming alright but it involved a smaller sub-committee. The proposal was only coming before the wider Dublin City Council for the first time tomorrow evening.



  • #237
    dmcdona
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032553#Comment_124032553

    The truth really does touch a nerve.

    It's a fact. The MO sticks out like a sore thumb.

    DCC is not antisemitic nor is Ireland. That people criticise a nation hellbent on destroying anyone and anything they don't like, commit war crimes by the day and have perpetrated genocide is all it is. Jews around the world are some of the fiercest critics of Israel.

    The "you're an antisemite" card was a busted flush over a year ago. Straw clutching is all it is now. And getting outraged about changing the name of a park is the last bastion of desperation to try and lend some kind of credibility to the World Pariah that is Israel.

    As a Jew said - an antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews. Now an antisemite is someone Jews don't like.

    It's a park - that's all it is. Call it what you like. Keep the name if that gives a warm fuzzy feeling of victory. For those who don't like the name, take the dog for a walk there and let it do its business for that warm fuzzy feeling of victory.

    This news will be served in chippers tomorrow whilst tomorrow, the IDF will execute more innocent civilians.



  • #238
    Cyclingtourist
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    So the virtue signalling show has been suspended due to 'technical reasons', for now at least.

    Hopefully this will give them time to rethink.



  • #239
    Charles Babbage
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    The obvious solution here is to vote to name this park after the grandfather of the present Israeli president. He did not live in Israel and did his work in Ireland. No need for new signage.



  • #240
    volchitsa
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124032650#Comment_124032650

    It would be, if the objections were not antisemitic in origin. But it's actually about erasing Jewish history in Ireland, so that won't satisfy most of them at all.

    It would still be a massive waste of the council's time and money. But sure what else do they have to be doing with their time? Not as though there are any other things that need doing in Dublin.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • #241
    Thinkingaboutit
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    Good thing that anti-Semitic measure is no more. Maybe DCC could perhaps repair the occasional footpath or provide the services its meant to instead of this shoite.



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