Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

poor woman is in dreamland if she thinks the Americans will have to cull all around them to pay the bills… in years gone by they would have had to cull hard but in those years they werent getting 1500dollars for a one day old angus calf like they are now… the culling will be small because of this which i why i think it will be 2027 when we see milk price going in right direction again…

It's farmer/operator/soil management/micro and macro nutrient availability dependant.

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Good — using the numbers we’ve been working with, here’s the NUE for the silage system and what it means.

Numbers used (re-stated)

• Silage DM = 20 bales × 220 kg DM = 4,400 kg DM/acre
• Silage N concentration (DM basis) = 1.94% = 0.0194 kg N/kg DM → Silage N uptake = 4,400 × 0.0194 = 85.36 kg N/acre.
• N applied to the silage system = 120 units/acre = 120 lb = 120 × 0.45359237 = 54.4311 kg N/acre.

NUE (uptake-based)

NUE=N taken up by cropN applied×100=85.3654.4311×100≈156.8%NUE=N appliedN taken up by crop​×100=54.431185.36​×100≈156.8%

So the apparent NUE ≈ 157%.

He needs cooperation from the coops to make it work. He doesn't have that.

CFSC (Cargill Financial Services Corporation) are the backers, he maintains.

You log on the app, bring up the future prices, which display on a monthly basis and tou just tap in the amount of milk you want to fix for each month.

Your milk is collected, processed and sold as normal by you coop.

If you fix for 36 and the price from your coop goes to 32...Concept dairy pay you the 4 c difference (probably through you coop)

If the coop price goes to 40, then your coop witholds 4c and send that to Concept.

You can also insure on loosing the upside. That figure should be showing on a column somewhere.

That is, you can fix at 36c but for eg. 1c cost, can insure you get an upside to 40c or for 2c insure to get an upside of 44c..etc..

Genuine Concept, but cant see processors in Ireland facilitating it in any way.

Not in Ireland anyway, but the platform does look complete.

It's possible that he has something operating in GB where its less farmer owned processing.

It seems to me just to be another form of fixed price contracts, and they didn't end well for some lads.

In one way it's easy see why coops would run a mile from it. If lads fixed in the high thirties and milk price went up in to the forties and concept dairy make a killing it would be the same mess as the fixed price contracts a few years ago.

The other thing is he is just another person looking for a cut out of the milk cheque, what value is he adding?

There may be value for some, for those who require some certainty....that's the same as the previous schemes, but the difference the last time is that prices lifted on the back of enourmous input price rises due to the Ukraine issue.

This is interesting in that you can ensure that you secure not only the fixed price, but for a certain price, you can benefit the uplift if that happens. This was fundementally the difference with previous schemes.

Farmers on schemes without this uplift twist, really need to have fixed their input prices along with the milk price.

There'll surely be a commission of maybe 5% or more for concept dairy. It won't be cheap because volume will never be there.

But ultimately it's all a zero sum game, if it's just farmers and coops involved, there will be no net improvement over the current state.

If lots of outsiders were to get involved there could be a benefit but they don't benefit from this in any way over what is currently available

Done over three cuts and there's still a crop of grass on it now could nearly have gotten a fourth cut. Will be cut early next year again.

You learn as you go along. Those fields were reseeded in 2018 and had basalt dust at the time whether it makes any odds.

Edit: another thing I just spotted. Irish farmers are at risk of losing their agency on soil health expertise to a foreign agency formally monsanto now bayer. There's a money push in irish ag media to give them sole agency on soil health. When it couldn't be further from health. Irish farmers could do with their own version of Nicole Masters.

Only takes a touch of a button....wpuld you pull the trigger at the above prices?

How are they getting so much for a young calf? Feedlots over there must be getting a serious price for beef at that rate?

Was it confined to the cows, you'll need to be very proactive re wildlife control, especially with maize in the yard, id be going for a walk around all your ground, including zero-grazed block, its a brillant time of year to track whats likely your issue, look out for tracks where the leaves arent visible/wore away youll find where the issues are

When I worked in Navan we used to pass that set up in Athboy every day, it replaced a coffee trailer on a site in the middle of the town, it used to be at a filling station just outside of Delvin before that . Any time we passed there would be people hanging round. My guess is they are upgrading to a newer outfit if they can get rid of what they have already.