Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124022775#Comment_124022775

No its not cos there's really very little difference in Ireland

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124022734#Comment_124022734

Latest verifiable data from cso has Ireland up 6.4% milk volume versus 2024, it had to be a LLM that came up with 1% Irish figure, pretty sure its sept milk production in the eu27 shes using in her comparision

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awaywithyou

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124022611#Comment_124022611

poor woman is in dreamland if she thinks the Americans will have to cull all around them to pay the bills… in years gone by they would have had to cull hard but in those years they werent getting 1500dollars for a one day old angus calf like they are now… the culling will be small because of this which i why i think it will be 2027 when we see milk price going in right direction again…

Castlekeeper

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124022678#Comment_124022678

I can see why you would ask that as I used your word "feeling" in my reply.

But no, there is a difference between actual personal and environmental health I was talking about and the social snobbery you were.

Castlekeeper

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124022730#Comment_124022730

No it isn't really.

Just one simple fact that every farmer should know, 60 to 80% of all N, P, and K granular artificial fertiliser applied is lost, unutilised, to water or atmosphere, causing eutrophication and pollution of our own resources

I'm not accusing or blaming anyone, including myself or my father or all who have farmed since the chemicalisation of agriculture. I genuinely didn't realise it was this bad until relatively recently.

To make it worse, the aspiration of most processors in the dairy industries is to put as much of the milk we produce into ultraprocessed food products, which leaves us with nothing but negative outcomes all through the chain.

I'm not burying my head in the sand either.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023052#Comment_124023052

Stop now good lad we all know that there's damn all difference in the production of organic milk and non organic 🙄 spraying is one big issue but there's not much of that on many farms pk and nitrogen are imported into the organic system too

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023052#Comment_124023052

It's farmer/operator/soil management/micro and macro nutrient availability dependant.

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Good — using the numbers we’ve been working with, here’s the NUE for the silage system and what it means.

Numbers used (re-stated)

• Silage DM = 20 bales × 220 kg DM = 4,400 kg DM/acre
• Silage N concentration (DM basis) = 1.94% = 0.0194 kg N/kg DM → Silage N uptake = 4,400 × 0.0194 = 85.36 kg N/acre.
• N applied to the silage system = 120 units/acre = 120 lb = 120 × 0.45359237 = 54.4311 kg N/acre.

NUE (uptake-based)

NUE=N taken up by cropN applied×100=85.3654.4311×100≈156.8%NUE=N appliedN taken up by crop​×100=54.431185.36​×100≈156.8%

So the apparent NUE ≈ 157%.

jaymla627

Latest snippets from tirlain board members they're looking to try and buy aware out, remove them from the picture, of the new cheese factory, you wouldnt think that milk price crashing and trying to keep cash available to support the above should be their only priority, instead of trying to finance 100 m plus buyouts/120m wpi investment

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124021073#Comment_124021073

He needs cooperation from the coops to make it work. He doesn't have that.

CFSC (Cargill Financial Services Corporation) are the backers, he maintains.

You log on the app, bring up the future prices, which display on a monthly basis and tou just tap in the amount of milk you want to fix for each month.

Your milk is collected, processed and sold as normal by you coop.

If you fix for 36 and the price from your coop goes to 32...Concept dairy pay you the 4 c difference (probably through you coop)

If the coop price goes to 40, then your coop witholds 4c and send that to Concept.

You can also insure on loosing the upside. That figure should be showing on a column somewhere.

That is, you can fix at 36c but for eg. 1c cost, can insure you get an upside to 40c or for 2c insure to get an upside of 44c..etc..

Genuine Concept, but cant see processors in Ireland facilitating it in any way.

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023646#Comment_124023646

Is it actually possible to use at the moment or is everything on it just theoretical?

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023761#Comment_124023761

Not in Ireland anyway, but the platform does look complete.

It's possible that he has something operating in GB where its less farmer owned processing.

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023646#Comment_124023646

coops will in no way entertain him or the concept ….unfourtnately for suppliers .would be nice have him come explain and give presentation on what’s involved but boards and management would block it

yewdairy

It seems to me just to be another form of fixed price contracts, and they didn't end well for some lads.

In one way it's easy see why coops would run a mile from it. If lads fixed in the high thirties and milk price went up in to the forties and concept dairy make a killing it would be the same mess as the fixed price contracts a few years ago.

The other thing is he is just another person looking for a cut out of the milk cheque, what value is he adding?

Castlekeeper

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023208#Comment_124023208

That's some crop of silage you grew there, just shy of 11tDM/ha, which is more than the annual national average grass grown, and almost double the normal first cut of 5.5 to 6tDM/ha.

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023886#Comment_124023886

There may be value for some, for those who require some certainty....that's the same as the previous schemes, but the difference the last time is that prices lifted on the back of enourmous input price rises due to the Ukraine issue.

This is interesting in that you can ensure that you secure not only the fixed price, but for a certain price, you can benefit the uplift if that happens. This was fundementally the difference with previous schemes.

Farmers on schemes without this uplift twist, really need to have fixed their input prices along with the milk price.

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023886#Comment_124023886

he has shown fairly well what’s on offer and how he dose it ….question I’d ask is why are boards and coops so afraid of him and why won’t they allow him present to boards and regional committees what it’s about ….unlike many others this lad has real industry experience and knowledge ……could what he dose expose flaws in how our coops pay us 🤔

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023839#Comment_124023839

There'll surely be a commission of maybe 5% or more for concept dairy. It won't be cheap because volume will never be there.

But ultimately it's all a zero sum game, if it's just farmers and coops involved, there will be no net improvement over the current state.

If lots of outsiders were to get involved there could be a benefit but they don't benefit from this in any way over what is currently available

K.G.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023963#Comment_124023963

But it's a completely different skill set and business.if you get involved in this you re becoming a financial trader not a milk processor.in that game you move from opportunity to opportunity where you see the mark it's not about selling dairy products.i don't want to sound condescending but what the feck is he doing on tik tok hawking to irish farmers if he was any good at the game.somone mentioned Cargill are on the other side of these trades and if that is the case one thing is sure we ll lose

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023958#Comment_124023958

Done over three cuts and there's still a crop of grass on it now could nearly have gotten a fourth cut. Will be cut early next year again.

You learn as you go along. Those fields were reseeded in 2018 and had basalt dust at the time whether it makes any odds.

Edit: another thing I just spotted. Irish farmers are at risk of losing their agency on soil health expertise to a foreign agency formally monsanto now bayer. There's a money push in irish ag media to give them sole agency on soil health. When it couldn't be further from health. Irish farmers could do with their own version of Nicole Masters.

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124024097#Comment_124024097

he’s shown what sort of milk price is available and how we could lock in our prices ….if you look back last / years he’s been pretty much on the ball …why won’t coops entertain him is what I’d like to know …what’s to loose only maby showing up an opportunity to return a better price to suppliers

Siamsa Sessions

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124023960#Comment_124023960

I think he’s saying input prices can be fixed too, is he?

If co-ops don’t want to listen to him, there’s nothing stopping ICMSA or the IFA dairy committee getting him in to hear what he has to say.

I don’t know if it’d be the right move for any farmer, and you might need to talk to your accountant before making a decision, but it’s worth finding out more either way.