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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭TonyK45




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭TonyK45


    Thanks have it now!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Good stuff - like any app, best way to test it is to play around with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,340 ✭✭✭Daith


    Trains generally don't have to deal with congestion from private cars. If you want that quickness, you remove cars from bus routes.

    But of course we can't remove cars from bus routes until we improve public transport, forever and ever….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yes we can. We can build a metro.

    We will never remove cars from the streets, so if the height of our ambition is to rely on buses only, I wouldnt be expecting public transport to improve greatly in the future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭thomasj


    I assume once the A spine launches, then that is the end of buses using the College Green>Dame Street>George's Street corridor?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭thomasj


    There will be a small number of buses that will come from Christchurch and turn right at the Dame Street George's Street junction.

    But coming from College Green , that will be a No. I assume in preparation for the pedestrianisation of College Green .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Correct as I’ve posted numerous times now!!! 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    There will the 23, 24, 71, 72 and 80 operating that way - a little bit more than a small number!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,079 ✭✭✭thomasj


    i stand corrected. It's tough trying to figure out the routing with the local maps gone and the city centre fentrahowing black lines making it difficult to follow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,704 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭trellheim


    I do believe this is ultra-silly removing Dame St from public transport both bus and SPSV . whatever about private cars , its pushing too much friction to points which were never designed to take that many buses, plus too many friction points with LUAS and its associated priority issues with the longer Green line trams



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭alentejo


    could not agree more. I have a feeling in years to come, the College Green plaza will be removed to faciliate luas lines



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57 ✭✭DrivingSouth


    I like the idea of central plazas, creating more places to be and spend time rather than just passing through. But it does seem like a project to do after metro and dart tunnel. Especially if there is going to be heavy traffic at the junction with George's St and in front of trinity. Hardly seems worth it.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,741 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    The thing about the planned College Green plaza is that it will greatly reduce the number of cars coming into and crossing the city center, while making the buses and Luas faster and more streamlined.

    The issue at the moment is that you have a number of junctions in the area where cars and buses coming from different directions are interacting and thus greatly slowing down the buses. With the changes being made with BusConnects and the college Green plan, basically almost all of these junctions are eliminated, which will mean the buses will move much faster.

    Basically all the buses (and Luas) will simply flow North - South in front of Trinity, with no East - West movements like you currently have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,301 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Sorry I completely disagree - you are forcing all the taxis buses and LUAS down a single narrow lane for no real benefit and massive drawback . Look at the tailbacks outside Trinitys northside at the moment that doesnt get a single bit better in this case, east/west or north south , LUAS, bus and taxi still conflict with each other, with no escape valves if anything goes wrong ( less in this case ) .

    If anyone wants an example of how bad it can get look at outside the Rotunda on Parnell St every evening where a single lane is jammed with buses back 100m down round the corner onto O'Connell St and the only people who suffer are the bus commuters ( and its getting that bad that a Broombridge tram has to wait frequently up to 10 mins on OCS in the evening waiting for a path )

    its madness and watching the crayoners move the A spine off Dame St just cos they can is crazy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    CG is already a single lane except for the small right turn zone, and being just a single lane is part of why the turn needs to be removed and the junction needs to be streamlined. Removing turns from CG will allow the buses to turn somewhere else where there can be more room for dedicated turn lanes. It will also be much better for the GL as it wont have to wait for turning buses anymore.

    A big reason why north of Trinity is such a mess is because there are so many conflicting bus movements that BC is trying to fix. At the moment the movements include D'Olier → CG, D'Olier → Townsend, Hawkins → CG, Hawkins → Townsend, and Pearse → CG for southbound, and CG → Westmooreland, Pearse → Westmooreland, and CG → Fleet/Townsend for northbound. BC will simplify this to D'Olier → CG and Hakins → Townsend for southbond movements and CG → Westmooreland for northbound movements. Hawkins → CG, Pearse → CG, and Pearse → Westmooreland are particularly nasty and cause a lot of congestion and I'll be happy to see them gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Also, after the B-Spine phase happens there will be fewer buses operating through College Green in either direction so that will be another improvement.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That’s nothing to do with BusConnects though?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 511 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    The D-spine too. Actually the D-spine is also responsible for a lot of the bad movements north of CG so that will help too. The 27, 68s, 150, 151 and 142 all go from Hawkins St to CG. The 56A and 77A goes from Pearse to CG. And I also forgot about the 69s which go from Hawkins to Westmooreland. Which in addition to all of those routes being gone from CG, the 13 and 122(depending on its new terminus) will be too.

    With the B-spine, while be a significant improvement for CG, I think the biggest benefit of it will be removing most of the buses turning right on Dawson St which will be a massive improvement GL, A-, E-, and F-spines. That said there will be a few stragglers, the 11, 44, 116, and 118 as well a few coaches and commerical operators. But that's thankfully only a handful of buses compared to most of the services the B-spine is replacing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I was really making the point that after the B-Spine phase happens we will have pretty much the long term position which will see a significant routes moved away from College Green and an overall reduction in buses passing through there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 822 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    I've started to use the Transit app in the morning to make sure I get to my stop in time but I just haven't gotten around to using it in the evening for some reason. Might make more sense than the RTI.

    Good news on the D Spine routes - the 27 (D2) is a very busy route already so I wasn't thrilled about a 33% reduction in hourly buses. It's still a reduction but I guess if it can be guaranteed then it's better than a 10 minute cycle with cancellations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,366 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Nothing on the GAI website yet, but the S6 and S8 are both getting revised timetables from Sunday next.

    The departure times won't change, but the running times will be altered, with scheduled journey times increasing to reflect the reality on the ground.

    The revised timetables are on bustimes.org here https://bustimes.org/operators/go-ahead-ireland

    Change the dates to a date from Sunday 30 November onwards to see the revised times.

    The extended running times should hopefully improve the reliability of the service and reduce cancelled or partially cancelled services on the two routes.



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