Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

Fook Russia. Time for Europe (and the world) to grab the nettle and take putin head on. Can’t stay sitting in their hands forever letting him dictate everything. He’s all bluster.

I don’t believe Putin himself will see that as a victory given his ambitions. However the Kremlin would certainly promote this view to the Russian public and advance it abroad too. It would be a substantive victory strictly in the context of the current reality on the ground & the imbalance of the concessions favouring Russia. Such a “peace” plan would be an incentive for Russia to regroup and have another go (and perhaps sooner than people think). Any agreement where Trump is any manner a relevant arbiter is going to be on shaky grounds in terms of any security guarantees. A cease fire and an ongoing process toward an agreement is one thing. But signing onto anything concrete if Trump is involved is a risk best avoided. Ideally he gets bored, frustrated, and sidelines himself or Ukraine/Europe push the “process” beyond the span of Trump’s political life.

He won't. He can't. It's a surrender, and renders the entire war effort a waste of time and people.

Trump and his people involved in this are scumbags.

Europe will leave it play out until Trump's "deadline". If he goes hard on Ukraine and cuts off support, then it will be time for Europe to take the lead.

I like your style.

Russia is flailing, smashed broke and down to the dregs of their fighting men after well over a million casualties of their own folly.

Europe must now humiliate Putin in every way at our disposal. Kicking dirt in his face is the only thing he and the Russian people understand.

If it takes Europe disavowing this corrupt American proposal, so be it. If it takes Europe providing a unilateral security ring around Ukraine, without America, so be it. If it takes Europe underpinning Ukraine's financial exposure to the war, so be it.

Putin cannot weather at home the problems of his catastrophic mistake for much longer. His paranoia and desperation grows every day. There is an evident rift with Lavrov. Lavrov is tight with many of the most powerful oligarchs, and those oligarchs see that life and economics for them is only getting worse and worse. Not to mind ordinary people who have seen price inflation and sanctions put goods and services they considered routine, now out of reach.

The global west has far more resources to wait it out than Putin does, even without America.

This "proposal", while something the Russians will be very happy with, has to be designed for the domestic US audience.

The US knows there isn't a hope in hell of being accepted, and it's a million miles away from anything which could be considered, so what's the point in it ?

Presumably it's job is to gain attention in the US media and provide a distraction from the Epstein file stuff.

even Nigel farage says the deal is unacceptable for Ukraine.

The phrase 'The emperor has not clothes' comes to mind.

Pointing out Zelenskyy's obvious weakness as a politician, his bad decisions like the K. Harris boo boo. How he is being played by Trump and by others like NATO. His total lack of control of his ruling corrupt regime at home etc. etc. This is not pro Russian, it's concern for the future of the ordinary folk of Ukraine - their political masters can cut and run to their safe havens and fat bank accounts in western Europe and through out the world while.

Also bear in mind that Ireland is a net contributor to the EU. The EU has pumped billions of euro (and continue to do so) in supporting Ukraine's war effort, of which we make a contribution. Handing over billions to what is evidently a very corrupt regime who are lining their own pockets while thousands of their countrymen are dying at the front line trying in vain to defend their country is hard to stomach.

Interesting to see so many of the vatniks here now being activated to push this "peace deal" almost as if it's some benevolent act on the behalf of the orcs.

Payments to deceased soldiers families in Russia are disappearing.

Local authorities say they don't have the money.

"It turns out that ministries and departments are dragging their feet on disbursing the required funds. It's very upsetting that they sign a contract and, leaving to defend the Motherland, can't wait for months for regional payments of so-called lifting allowances. I won't voice everything they wrote to me because there aren't enough censored words in it, and I have proposals for them. Well, the censored part is the whole point. Please convey to them what officials have to say. The budget is complicated, they don't have the money. Therefore, on behalf of the People's Front, on behalf of all participants and properties of the Khakassi people, we ask you to reconsider this approach."

From the speech above.

Can anyone imagine a scenario where Ireland had to cede a load of its sovereignty to the UK, allow it to take over several Irish counties, have the UK dictate the size of our military and who our allies are, tell us what languages it wants spoken in Ireland etc? The vatniks and their hero Putin can take a running jump.

Baloney and balderdash.

I stopped reading after you mentioned point 11.

So according to you Ireland is also a quasi-NATO member (despite clearly and inexplicably being a state not outfitted for a such membership).

Every leader in EU is a snowflake, and that's the biggest issue with helping Ukraine. UK bombed Dresden killing 30k men women and children, to teach Hilter a lesson. Todays leaders dare not scratch a Lada for fear of the consequences . France, UK, Poland should be invading Ukraine tomorrow, raise their flags, then fill the country with their troops. Or Ukraine should sell, sell it, get it into EU hands, not rocket science how to end this war.