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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,984 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    The free thinkers are always obsessed with a specific set of view points and read the same narrow viewed publications.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,627 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Exactly.

    If you're going to believe in one example of pseudoscientific nonsense, you're probably going to believe in others purely because that link of critical faculties makes one permeable to such nonsense. On top of this, you've grifters like McGuirk and their corporate rags spreading this crap around.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,871 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Would you dare say to a gay man or woman that "it's all in your head"?

    Doubt it.

    Homophobia isn't socially acceptable any more, so a far smaller and far more vulnerable group had to be targeted instead

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,871 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The "keep it out of schools" is a good one, given that 95% of primary schools in Ireland teach a very dubious ideology as fact, an ideology that contributed to the abuse of hundreds of thousands of people.

    But no, just pretend that people who don't fit the "norm" don't exist

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    It's pretty rare though. Studies have found that within fringe groups especially, there's a tendency to develop stronger and more related beliefs. It's an effort to fit in and be more dogmatic than others. So a person who believes in 5G brain control is more likely to believe in chem trails and the great replacement.

    The problem is that being pro choice or pro gay marriage is mainstream now. So the people who are against it are on the outside and so they tend to coalesce around certain other beliefs too. The same with racism. Most people are ok with migrants and don't think they're bad people. I'll admit in the middle of a housing crises there's certain issues regarding accommodation, but in general people are fine with people from other countries.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    it really isn't rare at all.Some people have right wing views on some issues and left wing views on other issues. I would say a very high percentage of people are like that. Thats because most people aren't really that interested in politics, most people aren't interested in any ideology at all.

    You're talking about a very tiny percentage of people who believe 5G is brain control though, so tiny a percentage they're not worth bothering about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,703 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Firstly 'Catholic ideology' doesn't teach that its ok to abuse children. The institute along with the states that pandered to it was incredible corrupt and there were inadequate child protection measures in place. While I wish schools were secular, there are no public schools today teaching the abuse of children.

    Secondly, Gript very is pro Catholic and pro the worst types of Catholic, the ultra conservative type that oppose equal rights for women and gay people and artificial contraception. Gript was founded by members of Youth Defense and McGuirk writes for the Irish Catholic

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,703 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    They believe in whatever they can abuse as a tool to get themselves into power and then immediately pull up the drawbridge behind them.

    The authoritarian right do not believe in universal human rights. They believe in hierarchies, some classes of people are better than others, and coincidentally believe that they are part of the group that deserves to be treated the best.

    Whether they define the split by race, religion or ethnicity, its always a hierarchical split and they believe they need to defend their group against attack from the others so that they can ultimately use their dominant position to control all of the resources for themselves.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Firstly 'Catholic ideology' doesn't teach that its ok to abuse children.

    Someone should have told the priests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    But most of those people would have a bit right of centre and a bit left of centre. It's rare that someone would have a view farther on the right and a view that's anywhere on the left, or vice versa.

    Edit to add: I would be generally left of centre, especially on social views. I'm very much centrist with views on left and right when it comes to economics.

    However with all the culture wars stuff in the states, I'd probably be considered a commie "liberal" because the overton window has shifted so far to the right there that centrist is now extreme left.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    They are for controlled immigration, which based on popular opinion in Ireland, the far right would not be agreeable to.

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    But is it stated anywhere that it is okay to abuse children?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Not stated but wasn't exactly harshly discouraged or punished when there were endless cover ups and the moving priests due to "illness" from parish to parish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Scumbags who covered up the crimes of other scumbags.

    Happens everyday unfortunately in all walks of life.

    But to be clear the Bible doesn't say it is okay to harm children from what i know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    To be fair, a huge percentage of the population wouldn't have a gripe with the Catholic church if they didn't cover up what went on. It was institutional conduct to cover up abuse and therefore we can only conclude that this institution does not condemn said abuse by its members.

    I know your argument is different, but after the fact, such an organisation has no place teaching their ideology in schools, or even being in schools. And they can't hide behind their Bibles on this one.

    I've no issue with Christian schools.

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I don't think any agenda should be pushed in schools.

    Region or any of that LGBT stuff should be kept away from kids and let them decide for themselves when they are older.

    Unfortunately the Catholic Church seem to own the majority of schools, so I don't see religion as a subject going away anytime soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,984 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    LGBT stuff. So just don't tell children that gay people exist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,627 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't see how the idea of treating LGBT people as human beings is comparable to the tripe that Christianity teaches. IME, most actual Christians will readily disregard when it suits them.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,871 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The Vatican enforced a global cover-up which enabled abusers to continue without punishment never mind criminal convictions. It was regarded as the lesser of two evils that a child be raped than have the reputation of the church damaged by exposing an abuser.

    This was the result of creating a system of beliefs and values where it was unthinkable for a lay person to question a priest, unthinkable for a priest to question a bishop, etc all the way up.

    BTW the bible says it's ok to keep slaves, including children, as long as you don't beat them to death - not exactly a very moral stance

    "Any of that LGBT stuff" - so you want to keep children ignorant of both the world they live in and, in some cases, ignorant about themselves. You afraid they'll "catch the ghey" if they hear about it?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It's sounding like a mentality from the 90s or earlier. The irony is pretty much all of the kids of that generation and earlier knew about LGBT people but derision was the norm unfortunately. It was far more harmful to not teach kids about these issues tbh. You'd have teens remain in the closet simply because of fear and that was the norm.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I don't think that is a role that should be done by a teacher.

    It should be done by a childs parents.

    I don't think teaching that in a classroom will be popular with the parents of Muslim kids especially, who have a religion that is not as acceptable to gay people as most Irish people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    So not enough to have a go at "that LGBT stuff" you need to get the Muslims into your argument as well. So that's gay people, trans and Muslims now but the second I questioned the church you leapt to their defence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Ya, based on your previous statement you pretty clearly don't think children should have any familiarity until they're adults ”Region or any of that LGBT stuff should be kept away from kids and let them decide for themselves when they are older."

    I think this is less so about you being concerned about Muslim parents and more to do with the fact you aren't personally comfortable with it. Parents don't always get it right.

    My parents would have run a mile before discussing these topics with me, sex education from them amounted to being handed a book that was about 20 years old. They equally were pretty happy that schools offered something at that stage. Apparently my mother who is in her 80s is less conservative than yourself on this topic. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I don't think any religion or LGBT information should be thought in school.

    Do you disagree that Muslim parents are unlikely to be happy about their children learning about homosexuality?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,984 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    So what sectors of society should education hide from children? Hide the existence of gay people, what else? Teaching children about gay people is not advocating that you must be gay or not (because you can't choose anyway), it just tells them they exist. Should we also hide the existence of straight people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,627 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm just seeing a both sides arguments with the customary dig at Muslims. I don't see any reason why religion should be taught at schools. Children can learn it with their parents if that's what they want.

    There's a lot of prejudice against LGBT people. Breaking that down begins with education so it makes sense to have some of this in schools. I'm not sure about when, where or how much but it's a much better use of time than teaching Catholicism.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,984 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    We should educate people about religions, but not religious education.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    So why aren't you calling for schools to be taken away from the church?

    You took issue with the me questioning the teachings of a church that covered child sexual abuse up and allowed priests to continue in other parishes after their abuse was discovered.

    Your loaded "what would the Muslims think" nonsense doesn't deserve a response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Hide is a strange word because I believe religion and discussing peoples sexuality should be discussed but not by teachers.

    What age do you think kids should start being thought that their friend is different to them?

    Kids should be left alone to grow up and enjoy life, it's when adults start telling them they are different that is when bullying starts.

    If I was gay growing up in school the last thing I would want is sitting in a class with a teacher teaching about how I am different to others.

    That's what causes division and bullying.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,569 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I strongly agree that the government should attempt to buy schools and separate religion and schools.

    Religion has no place in schools and it is a waste of time, if a parent wants a child to be religious they can bring them to church themselves.

    My loaded question won't get a response because you know the answer and you wouldn't like to say it.



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