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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,310 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I'd say a lot do as well. I don't but I know I would be an outsider in regards where I work, most here would park the bike up and reduce the number of cyclists from 20 down to 5 in heavy rain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yeah certainly it wouldn't happen very often. Free flowing traffic is great but the odd stoppage here and there doesn't frustrate the majority of drivers. Going back to the main point, seeing a cycle lane getting used appropriately should frustrate nobody

    People who drive during rush hour and school pick-up times should know what they are getting themselves in for as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,486 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I gave up cycling into Dublin city centre, too dangerous. Even with the cycling-friendly modifications on the quays I found it unsettling since Covid and just stopped. Thankfully now the job is either mostly home-based or on the road outside the county it doesn't worry me as much. But truth be told, the cycling mileage has dipped significantly and the associated health benefits have slid a little. Hard to get the mile in when you're not commuting (before anyone shouts Zwift at me).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Interested to hear what way it's become more dangerous?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,486 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    My experience was matching Dr_Collosus' videos and more again. Close passes, unexpected manoeuvres, higher traffic volume, lower driving standards - especially from professional drivers such as DB or those private operators - but the worst by far was a level of belligerence among the driving fraternity that I didn't see 10 years ago.

    The videos over the last couple of years here seem to support this. Whatever about meeting a dick of a driver, nowadays they seem - more often than not - to be a hard-headed cnut too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,689 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Depends where you're coming into the city centre from, anywhere within the DCC area usually has good cycle lane coverage and the vehicular traffic is slow enough to get around…

    As an alternative to getting on a overcrowded Bus or being sat in a hardly moving vehicle and the stress of parking in Dublin city centre, I would take my chances by bicycle any day..

    Edit: Although between leaves, gutter cleaning and roadworks it can be pretty dangerous:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,126 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    aside from the aggressive drivers (who seem to be on the increase) the heavier the traffic gets, the more chaotic and unpredictable it gets as people try to skip around queues or make unexpected manouvres. I'm ultra-paranoid driving in the city, I always expect drivers (and indeed other cyclists) to do something stupid and yet I'm still caught out from time to time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,840 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I guess it depends on the office, but if there's a switch in my place it's from two wheels to public transport if the weather is that bad. There isn't the access to car parking even if people wanted to have their heads melted being traffic. I still prefer wet on the bike v wet on the dart.

    DLR > DCC for my route. I could go from Shankill to Trimbleston Ave all pretty much grade separated/ side roads/ parks*.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Do they? Or do they retreat to the busses/ trains? We're all just speculating here because as far as I can see there are no studies to reference, but my guess would be that if someone is cycling instead of driving there's a strong chance/ probability that that person would see public transport as the fall back option (either for economic or environmental reasons).



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Also speculation, but I'd guess a fair amount of those commuting on bikes, e-bikes and scooters do so for economic reasons, where running a car on top of all the other financial burdens on a modest wage may not be an option. Not cycling on a wet day and taking the car instead presumes the availability of a car.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,475 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    It presumes a car sitting in a driveway that isn't otherwise being used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That is the case for most, I remember when I worked in Dublin I rented nearby and walked 5 days a week to and from the office with a car in the driveway to get me back home at the weekends and to do a bigger shop

    Nothing to say somebody couldn't do the same from further away but cycle instead of walk



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,475 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    how do you know that is the case for most? it's great that you did it, but you seem to be offering that as evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    I think it's fair enough to surmise. I'd say the vast majority of households are car owners, if not also car users.

    Nobody in our house uses our one car to go to work. Myself and the wife rack up 20k km between us on the bikes annually but somehow also put another annual 10k+ on the car. I'm my opinion, going car free altogether in this country is raw-vegan territory. -Hard core and way in the minority.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,475 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    people who post in this forum are probably not representative of the cycling population as a whole.

    FWIW, i do have a car spare in the driveway but given where i live, PT is the obvious fallback to the bike (i've good PT links)



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Certainly not on many newer appartment builds around the greater Dublin area, where you often see a younger demographic who are in shared accomodation with little or no parking. As MB has said, boards users tend to represent an older more settled demographic.

    Off topic a bit, but I wonder how many younger adults who don't move out end up buying a car as the next nearest source of independence and then become even further financially constrained in terms of being able to move out and get their own place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭JMcL


    I did manage to be car free* when living in Dublin. Furthest out was Kilmainham/Inchicore, and at various times that included commutes to Park West (easy as was straight out a then scrote-free canal) and Kilmacanogue (usually bike to city center+Dart though occasionally bike through Enniskerry).

    Since moving down to Waterford, and car free isn't unfortunately an option. The office is a reasonably lumpy 14km away and access is via the ring road - a busy 80km/h dual carriageway. There's no viable public transport. While I do take the bike whenever possible and would have done so probably 70-80% of the time pre-COVID, if doing it at rush hour these days between the increase in traffic volume and driver impatience/aggressiveness and the drop in driving standards it's not comfortable. Weather wise my biggest fear would be wind (the route is quite exposed to crosswinds which combined with the numptys behind the wheel….). Even the back roads, an option for a good chunk of it, tend to be filled with impatient rat-runners.

    (*) I did on occasion hire a car if I needed to head down the country for the weekend



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's a question of what's cheaper, rent or car ownership? Average rent for first-time tenancies is €1,696 per month

    Source: https://rtb.ie/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/RTB-Rent-Index-Q1-2025-FINAL.pdf

    If you were faced with the option of running a car or paying that on rent what would you go with? In the late 2000's I knew plenty of 3rd level students who would see car ownership costs as a major saving on renting and I can only assume the price gap there has widened



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I'm the same. It's car + PT or cycle. But it's never car. Too costly to commute by car for me - fuel, parking, time and sanity. If its wet, I especially enjoy cycling past the heavier than usual traffic. If its too wet/ cold/ windy, I'll be on the bus/ dart. I'm sure it varies for everyone, but I can't see how someone could reach the conclusion without any evidence that most people who leave the bike at home for weather reasons do the commute by car instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,840 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Car + Bike or Car + PT for me. No parking at the office, so really not going to pay an all day rate on a meter or in a car park. But drive all the way would be the worst time efficiency anyway, by a long way (before mentioning the head wreck).

    I was remote on Friday, but it would've been the wet leaves/ debris that would've put me off rather than the rain.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,486 ✭✭✭MojoMaker




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,135 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,840 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I really just think the roads are at capacity on a normal day, so just takes a relatively small number to cause the clusterf*ck you get on wet days. iirc November is pretty much peak traffic too - all schools and colleges in, not many people taking leave etc.

    All year around I'm cycling past people in cars being traffic - all that really changes is how far out the traffic starts to crawl.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,222 ✭✭✭fat bloke


    Maybe no parking provided but feic me, some of the newer apartment complexes like out towards Citywest are bananas with rogue parking by apartment dwellers. Lines of cars double parked half up on grass verges, both sides of the road. It's a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,486 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Dublin 15 to Trinity College - gave it up due to too much aggro from really belligerent drivers, complete lack of consideration from PT vehicles, and a startling decline in driving standards among the new driving population coming into and out of Dublin city daily.



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