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What do you think happens after death?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,257 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    If we take heaven and hell from the equation, religion has little to offer, or threaten with for that matter, for the population at large. Without these, why do you suppose society would elevate religions to a position of power?

    Lots of religions don't offer heaven or hell to believers, or they lay comparatively little stress on them, and yet they achieve cultural dominance in their societies. It's absurdly reductive to suggest that the only appeal religion can have for someone is the promise of heaven or the threat of hell, and it's contradicted by abundant evidence of people and societies who value religion for other purposes. You mustn't let your faith blind you to the facts, smacl.

    Also, bear in mind that many of the examples of religious oppression that we are familiar with, in the western world at any rate, involve oppression by those who believe in an afterlife of others who also believe in an afterlife. Repression of non-afterlife-believers has been a relatively minor aspect of religious intolerance — probably more minor, if we're honest, than repression by non-afterlife-believers. And, in both cases, beliefs about the afterlife have not really been the motivation for the repression.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,130 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Lots of religions don't offer heaven or hell to believers, or they lay comparatively little stress on them, and yet they achieve cultural dominance in their societies.

    Lots of religions maybe, but very much a minority of religious adherents, from a Pew research report on population by religion

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    Removing the religiously unaffiliated Hindus and Buddhists, we see 71% of religious adherents believe in heaven and hell. Allowing that Hindus and Buddhists also have the notion of an afterlife, and the quality of that afterlife is dictated to a large extent by following rules of the religion, this numer jumps to 93%.

    I'd say my logic stacks up pretty well here. The majority of culturally dominant religions, in terms of size, clearly do offer life after death as the reward for towing the party line so to speak.

    Also, bear in mind that many of the examples of religious oppression that we are familiar with, in the western world at any rate, involve oppression by those who believe in an afterlife of others who also believe in an afterlife.

    Quite so, but when selling the promise of imortalility to the great unwashed, the organised competition represents a bigger problem than the sceptical punter.

    If the powerbase of any given religion carrying out violent oppression of other religions is based on them selling a belief of their version of the afterlife, it is any contradticory position to this that is bound to be repugnant.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭rodderss


    Nothing thats it your times up. However as i get older and lose family through illness etc. i wish there was something to hope for.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,130 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    It is a funny one. Also getting on a bit, but accepting the finite nature of life is a great motivator to enage in life and seek out the good things rather than just letting it all pass, or for the younger generation scroll, on by. There's always plenty to hope for, just that winning the lotto or becoming immortal seems like the wrong thing to pin your hopes to.

    Fun article from the beeb suggests People aged 65 to 79 'happiest of all' No doubt the religiously inclined on here will be pleased to note that they're happier than their irreligious peers on average.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 hfenton


    There is a very loose kindofa 'afterlife' in the sense that the building blocks of our bodies continue to exist and interact with the universe. Carbon, nitrogen, and other elements from our cells are recycled and absorbed into plants, microbes, the atmosphere, and eventually other forms of life. Whether any of that material retains or passes on some kind of a trace or 'memory' of us, perhaps in the form of electrical or chemical states, is uncertain. Interestingly, Catholicism apparently teaches that the exact same atoms in our current bodies are not necessarily the ones that will be used in the resurrected and glorified body that it believes will be reunited with the soul at the end of time. It teaches identity continuity (you are “you” in the resurrected glorified body), but it may not be necessarily strict atomic continuity.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,857 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Surely any meaningful definition of 'afterlife' refers to consciousness, rather than mere matter.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,513 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Reincarnation, Valhalla, and Elysium are also possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭spakman


    What about an infant death? They barely had any conscious understanding or awareness in their life, so what kind of afterlife could they have?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29 hfenton


    It's surely a grave matter, but consciousness whatever that is when it's at home is perhaps regarded as the afterlife VIP but my carbon atoms and electrons will keep crashing the party, and honestly, who ever remembered the best ones anyway …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,257 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Well, no. In the Hindu and Buddhist notions of afterlife, consciousness isn't a necessary or desirable element. If you get reincarnated, that will be as some form of earthly life, but not necessarily a conscious form, and the ultimate goal is nirvana/moksha, in which consciousness doesn't feature.

    On reflection: "consciousness" versus "mere matter" is maybe a false dichotomy, because there are things that are more than mere matter, in that they are alive, but that still lack consciousness. Plus, there are religions which propose an afterlife that is purely spiritual, not material at all.



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