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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Do Ramor keep within their own club area for their players!? Are there players in their immediate area would improve them if there was less clubs? Of course there is.

    Also, if the competition from other clubs was better because they’d have a better pick, would Ramor or Crosserlough be winning the championship? The point is it’d raise the standard across the board to have the amount of clubs we should actually have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭etuzyuk


    It would be nice to see a county championship like they have in Kerry purely to see more competitive teams in it and to give every footballer in the county a realistic chance of winning a senior county medal. That would help selection for county team panel too you'd imagine.

    Whether that would improve our chances in the Ulster club championship is debatable. You can argue it might give marginal gains but doubt we'd see anything too dramatic. Only a club can go forward to Ulster so if a divisional team were to win, we'd be sending forward a beaten club. The likes of Ramor and Xlough at the moment have a natural ceiling anyway and need to get over the likes of Gowna and Kingscourt first before worrying about Ulster clubs. You can just as easily argue that introducing better teams into the championship will just reduce their chances of winning a county title so hardly preparation for beating better teams in the north.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭baconsarnie


    The obvious thing (in my opinion) is to go to a more streamlined championship structure. 10 senior, 10 intermediate, 10 junior and the remaining 8 in a junior shield.

    There are too many teams in Senior and their sole annual aim is to win one game to stay up. I don't think they would even compete in intermediate to be honest. There are better teams in intermediate who are stuck (Cucus for example) on the basis that they meet a strong team and don't win intermediate. Ballyhaise a good example of that- easily a top 8 senior team but took years to get out of intermediate.

    A 10 team intermediate would be brutually competitive and a team 10 junior equally so.

    It's not that we have too many teams, it is how they are distributed to make for really competitive championship structures. Too many senior games allow the bigger teams to coast until they hit the knock out stages which means they are playing close to meaningless games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭rrs


    . Cuchulains weren't good enough in previous years. They have a stronger panel this year with Tobin a good addition and a few players back from abroad. Going from 12 to 10 could have benefits ,but also if a team was hit by emigration they would struggle anyway. Laragh an example this year.

    They should have a couple of Divisional teams and give them time to prepare. Run junior earlier as knockout. Not one senior club from Belturbet to Blacklion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60 ✭✭large_palette


    Mullahoran took a tight clipping of Errigal Ciaran at home in 2012. 11 or 12 points if i recall.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Bduff1


    Well after you are out of la la land you realise how silly this is. Run Junior as knockout? You expect a percent of players just to sit and watch all year? How do you expect players to get better? or even get out of junior?

    Belturbet to blacklion? Yes less population there obviously but the GAA clubs in that area hold a great sense of community for the people. So maybe instead of thinking about me fein, think about the people in them communites who are proud to have a gaa club.

    The divisional championship is not the answer. Even people in Kerry are calling it to come to an end, the great Pat Spillane as one.

    Realistically if Faulkner was there this weekend Kingscourt would've won and last year it was a referee who got in the way of xlough beating Kilcoo. We are closer than people think.

    The championship needs restructure, the only way to do that is 4 championship divisions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭rrs


    All grades are knockout in Tyrone. It takes 4 games to win a Junior Championship in Tyrone. Their League starts later so players aren't sitting around all year. Cavan league is rushed off and about 6 week break until championship .Are players not sitting around then, since you are up in arms about it?

    It would obviously be hard to combine with having a Divisonal set up. But when the League starts at the end of March there must be some room.

    I wasn't knocking the clubs in West Cavan just would be good if they if the likes of Caoimhin McGovern or the likes could get a chance to play Senior. They are annoyed in Kerry that so few clubs get to play but they increased it to 10 clubs. I think they will get to 12 and cut down the number of divisional teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭baconsarnie


    Gowna lost it on penalties three years ago, and two years ago absolutely hit self destruct after playing themselves into a winning position. So the last 4 appearances have all been defeats by the finest of margins.

    Frustrating that Cavan teams are not getting a win but might not be as huge a margin as has been previously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭rrs


    And how would having a Junior Shield work. That would really get the interest telling players you are not playing Junior A but Junior B. Maghera and Corlough had no option as the numbers were gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭celt262


    It's no secrect that if clubs have better players it would improve them.

    You might aswell say that there are two less clubs in the county now than there was a few years ago, how many more would you be satisified with gone from there community?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    I’ve said it before and I’ll repeat it again - any club needing to amalgamate at all competitive juvenile levels should be amalgamating at adult too. So you’re looking at losing Kill/Drung (St Finbarrs), Maghera/Munterconnaught (Blackwater Gaels), Redhills/Drumalee (Naomh Brid) and then how many clubs make up Dernacrieve Gaels? They’re struggling to even field as an amalgamation at some levels as Corlough and Kildallan have bolted. Those are just the immediate ones I can think of.

    That should trim the fat. The community do fine supporting the juvenile teams of these clubs so why should adult be different!?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Best wishes to Killian Clarke who has retired from Cavan duty. He may be the first of many.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Bduff1


    Saying that any club that amalgamates at juvenile should automatically amalgamate at adult is a bad argument, because juvenile and adult football operate on completely different realities.

    Underage teams require far more players across multiple age brackets — U13, U15, U17 — and even one weak age group forces a club into amalgamation. Adult football draws from 10-15 years of players, so numbers are far more stable. A club might need help at juvenile simply because two or three small birth years came through, but still have 25–30 committed adults.

    Underage amalgamations are about giving kids games, not about determining whether a club is viable. I see the argument with West Cavan amalgamations, as numbers do seem to be declining. But how can you ask Munchies to amalgamate after winning junior?

    Everything comes in waves child births and the amount of lads born bla bla we can go on.

    Your last point- "The community do fine supporting the juvenile teams of these clubs so why should adult be different!?"

    Supporting a temporary juvenile blend for young lads to get games does not mean a community is willing to abandon its adult club identity.

    This is not the root cause of Cavan footballs problem - this is you just having an open sneer at the smaller clubs in the county



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭quidel7


    Seems like there is going to be quite a changed panel for 2026 with lots of new faces. There should be good interest in the McKenna cup games to see some of the new panel members. Don’t see any fixture details for it yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭baconsarnie


    Fair play to Killian, some service.

    I always felt he never got enough credit from Cavan supporters due to his versatility. Probably played every position at county level, and for many a year was our best midfielder even though I felt he would have been better as a full back. He did a job regardless of where ever he played since he made his debut at senior level 12 years ago. Delighted he ended up with a well-deserved Ulster medal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭quidel7


    Likewise, I always felt that full back was his ideal spot but his versatility and the weaknesses in other positions in the team saw him played anywhere and everywhere. He was outstanding at full back in the successful u21 teams of times past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭rrs


    I think Clarke might have been brought in too soon. He was involved in 2012 the year after Minor. He still had good longevity. McBrearty was brought into Donegal panel as a Minor and has had lots of injuries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭mylestheslasher


    A huge presence for Cavan for more than a decade. I've a lovely photo at home of him with my kids at a game in 2018. Great servant and possibly our most decorated modern player. Wish him all the best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭cavan4sam


    Best wishes to Killian Clarke on his retirement

    As said above he probably never got the credit he deserved in the Cavan jersey

    A great career !!!!

    On a side note we'll done to young Sherlock playing for Ireland u17 at the world cup today

    Never saw him playing Gaa but I had heard he was a special talent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    If you read my point, I said any clubs amalgamating at all competitive levels in juvenile so this isn’t just the odd bad year where numbers are low.

    They are amalgamating at U14, U16 & U18. All of the amalgamations named above are consistently joining for a decade or more at all juvenile levels.

    You refer to them as “temporary juvenile blends”. These amalgamations are actually permanent at this point if you look into them. Your knowledge of juvenile football is obviously limited though as you’ve quoted the wrong age gradings - the county moved from odds 3 years ago.

    How exactly is it having a sneer? It’s a point I have often made so off your high horse.

    I’d argue it is Cavan’s football problem. You have a dilution of the quality that is there. Quantity over quality.

    Do you think it’s good for clubs like Corlough and Maghera to have endured the slow, laborious end that they have? For the patrons or their players? The writing was on the wall for both years ago.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭baconsarnie


    A real gentleman and as you said, always decent to spend time posing for kids, signing autographs. God knows how many times my ones pestered him for an autograph!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭rrs


    Bit of pace brought into the panel. Tristan Hoffman, Ryan Tobin, Niall McGee, Favor and Emmanuel Shehu, Cian and Aaron Shekelton are some of the players. Conor Casey I presume is in too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭celt262


    If they did decide to amalgamate how do you think it would help Cavan Senior clubs win a game in Ulster?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Breffniblue71


    It really boils down to the county’s coaching systems and overall coaching of coaches. Sure, smaller populations naturally have fewer players to choose from, but the real difference comes from how the coaching framework is organised, something that ultimately falls under the responsibility of the current senior football manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Did Tobin and Adam Reilly going from a junior club to Cuchulainns help them this year? Case in point.

    Less clubs means a better distribution of the available higher quality players.

    It will also increase the standard as you’ll have better teams, raising the overall level.

    Pooling of resources for better training, facilities, volunteers, funding etc.

    Those are just a few of the simple resources and I’m sure there are more. Quality over quantity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭celt262


    Has Adam not been there a few years? They transferred in so not relevant to amaglations.

    My point is which you ignored is the clubs you mentioned would not do much to raise standards in Senior Championship which was the original point as they wouldn’t even win intermediate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 BreffniBoy123


    Any more word on managerial appointments?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    Adam is there a few years. How are transfers not relevant to amalgamations? They transferred in because of my point you ignored - the slow, laborious demise of their own. Players having to transfer is relevant to amalgamations.

    No they probably wouldn’t but those clubs would only be the start. Demographics will mean other clubs will need to amalgamate. Eventually we’ll probably have about 30 clubs I’d imagine.


    I’ve listed a whole number of positives above re amalgamations but I don’t see much argument to the contrary about what sense it makes for struggling clubs to endure a tortured, pathetic end as they fade out of existence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭celt262


    They transfered because they didn't want to be playing Junior football they didn't have to transfer.

    Maybe if Crosserlough and Ballymachugh or Gowna and Lacken joined there might be a team capable off winning a game in Ulster club?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,563 ✭✭✭Cavan_King


    They had to transfer to play a decent level of football and to actually enjoy the odd win. A club shouldn’t be making national newspapers because they hadn’t won a game in a decade. That was a farcical situation and you continue to ignore the questions I’ve asked yet attempted to throw mud when you weren’t happy with a response I’d given.

    We’ll see how Gowna & Lacken go at minor level as a tester. They’ve been joining at U16 and minor level for a few years now so that’s a good shout by you in fairness. Lacken conceded a game in the League this year as they’re short numbers. See, you’re even finding clubs to assimilate yourself when trying to argue against the point.



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