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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭m4r10


    Thanks for that.

    No real need to run the electrical shower in case of a power outage, it was more of a query if the outage would last for several days. There are two electrical showers in the house with only the bathtub using hot water from the hot water tank.

    Your comment answers my query, in that is not feasible to get the higher output inverter just for the off chance of a longer power outage.

    If the house can run off the 5kwh output inverter, I'm more than happy with that, even with the showers being a no-go during the power outages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,192 ✭✭✭deezell


    You're only allowed to push 25a to the grid, which nominally is 6kw if the inverter pushes the voltage up to 240v to push current against the grid voltage, though it's little more complicated than that. Any inverter or combination of inverters with an output current greater than this would need to be in off grid mode, as in wired for backup. Some inverters have built in off grid switching, some have split output whereby they give 5kw to the grid and simultaneously say 2kw to an off grid circuit, which could for example be lights, fridges, electronic appliances and so on.

    To achieve 10kw for a shower plus all the other demands that might occur simultaneously such as fridge, lights, tvs, would require either a 10+kw inverter that can be choked to 5kw when in on grid mode, and I've not researched the feasibility of this, or else paired inverters, the type that can connect together to increase capacity, like the model you listed. Only one would be on grid, the other wired to either essential circuits, or idle. In backup mode both would be tied to each other and connected to the home off grid. Both could have batteries, one with solar also to combine power sources. Some of these models can also take in non synchronised generator input, and feed that into their solar/battery output. You also can consider the very costly NC7 connection which allows you to exceeds domestic limit of micro generation.

    Such a system would require expert design, and there might be single inverter solutions to your quest. It might cost an awful lot more just to have the odd electric shower during the odd power cut.

    If you have oil/gas HW, perhaps plumb in a normal shower mixer valve. I dumped my ensuite electric shower a decade ago, feeble flow, and useless when incoming cold water temperature was in single figures. I installed hot and cold lines from the hotpress straight to a normal mixer, via a pressure boost pump in the press. A DIY job for me, not everyone's idea of fun, but we now have high flow hot showers, and with only 0.25 kw pump consumption from the backup generator during a cut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,192 ✭✭✭deezell


    Having looked a bit longer at the spec, Ive noticed that this is an Off Grid inverter you've chosen. Unless I'm mistaken, it requires your entire home to be off grid, powered by the inverter, with the grid mains as a feed through source of power in addition to batteries and panels. In this mode the inverter is like a UPS, kept going by battery, mains and solar. It can only draw 6kw max through this port though, so in off grid mode using mains you would need a larger output inverter to feed even an 8kw shower, with mains providing up to a max of 5.75kw, and the rest coming from the charged battery and panels when the grid is live. Have a really goid chat with your installers, I'd need to read a good bit more of the manual to see if I'm correct in my assumptions, but it definitely says 'Off Grid' on the sheet.

    https://www.solisinverters.com/dataFile/2c9fafbf8e733809018eb766ddea15af



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭m4r10


    That's valuable info there, I'll just have to make sure the electric showers are not on during any powercuts, that's all. I'll also look into installing a normal shower mixer valve at least for one of the electric showers as the hot press is right behind the shower.

    For the inverter, I requested an upgrade to a newer S6 model (as I thought the newer, the better - maybe I was wrong on this), the installer came up with this model. I did notice and had asked him about the inverter being an off-grid one, but he said that this model would act just like a hybrid one in all aspects. I'll ask him again about it, or even better look at changing it with a more suitable model (like S6-EA1P(3.6-6)K-L).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,763 ✭✭✭oleras


    On the shower being run on batteries, have my install since May and have managed to only use a handful, <5 daytime units. During the summer the bathroom with pumped shower was being renovated so i was forced to use the electric shower…it was the summer so i was able to use it on setting one rather than two because the storage tank water temp would have been decent, compared to middle of winter when at that lower stetting it would only trickle out…. so basically yes, you can run an electric shower on a lower setting that will only pull maybe 4kw…. make sure the power cut is during the summer basically…😉



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,192 ✭✭✭deezell


    The off grid wouldn't support Feed in Tariff for a start, no payment for excess solar. I think there's an approval list for on grid inverters to meet the export limit. 25a input is the max, the actual power you shove in depends on the voltage at the feed in point. The actual 6kw rated inverters exceed this current, 5kw well in spec. A 5.5kw inverter is probably on the very edge. It matters not with self consumption, it's when the inverter is at full tilt and you're using nothing that you might exceed feed in current. Perhaps because you asked for back up power, the installer advised the off grid layout, but the problem with this is the inverter is in the path of all mains in, like a UPS, and if it fails, no leccie. With on grid inverter, you'll need wiring changeover relays/ switches to automatically or manually switch an on grid to an off grid inverter. That has a stiff cost burden as many installers seem shy of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 853 ✭✭✭cuculainn


    How do people manage running heat pumps from battery/panels if domestic inverters output is limited to 5Kw?

    I think our heat pump is 11 Kw.

    Thanks



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