Switching electric/gas providers (see first post for links)

I manage a bill for a property for a relative that is with Yuno several months without a smart meter. I just don’t get the insights and have to submit readings for bills.

Thanks for all the replies. There seems to be a lot of confusion around this. Not all the scenarios above can be correct. I understood you need a smart meter, but it does not have to be activated, and they need your explicit consent to do that.

I have a non-activated meter and can get 30min data from ESBN if I want or need it. I assume an energy provider can too, and if so, why would Yuno force you to have the meter activated?

Reposting this from my above post:

Also if you search on switcher for non-smart plans, why would a Yuno smart only plan be top of the list ? That's a false result if you are searching for non-smart plans.

I suspect it’s included as you can sign up with a non smart meter, but they will activate any smart meter once you join them.

I believe the activation part is mentioned in their sign up terms and conditions.

if you sign up to their tariff with an unactivated smart meter, they will activate it. It is 5.7c of their T&Cs, that's consenting.

You're using language like "your explicit consent" - I have no idea why or what you mean by it. You are signing up to a smart tariff, that it consent. There's no confusion around it.

What the other poster is referring too is a different scenario and effectively refusing the install (you have a meter). I've seen people on reddit say they were kicked from the tariff for doing this and I've seen others (including the person here) saying they could continue with the Yuno discounted rates.

If you sign up, you will have your metered activated. There's no loophole, technicality or outsmarting them. Go back 2-3 pages and you'll see someone who signed up with an unactivated meter where they claim they told them they didn't want to activate.

Just Ctrl+f their T&Cs for "half" and you'll see it (i may be looking at outdated T&Cs)

Well Ctrl+F "half" on their T&Cs. You'll see they require half-hour readings which is only possible with an activated smart meter.

I don't agree you need to give explicit permission in the manner youre describing. Lots of people signed up for smart insights with EI not understanding it activates your meter. However, all T&Cs are clear just nobody (most people) reads them. Im not going to argue semantics. It just has to be in the T&Cs and selecting a smart plan is consent.

I think you have your answer and can check yourself via the T&Cs.

It's not that i don't understand your position, i don't care. Your photo is irrelevant to your case, you have a smart meter. Another posters experience supports that statement, they have a standard meter and are with Yuno.

If you sign up to Yuno, your smart meter will be activated. It's in the T&Cs. It is clear.

Send a letter to the CPCC over Switcher/Yuno if you want, do as you please. This is bargain alerts. The purpose of the thread is to help people find cheap rates.

You are now aware of all the facts and can make a full informed decision.

It is just the terminology used on this thread and Reddit that everyone understands. A more accurate term is "activate smart services".

What everyone means by activate the meter, is giving the suppliers access to your 30 minutely data. Otherwise, the ESB are the only people who have it and share a reading once every 2 months with your supplier (i think it's 2 months). This is what people refer to as unactivated.

For the ESB it is a change in the MCC code.

I'm not aware of anyone trying to argue the meter doesn't work.

In relation to the specific Yuno statement, they specifically refer to not having a smart meter. Hence, if you have a smart meter that is configured to work as a 24 hour meter, you are giving them permission to change the MCC to one where they have access to the half-hour data.

Are you correct? Yeah, sure. However, I'm not sure what it adds. People use activated because it's just easier and pretty much everyone understands the concept (standard meter, unactivated smart meter which acts like a standard meter, and activated smart meter).

Wow...outstanding reply. You don't care yet you are the most frequent poster on this thread. Seems idiotic to care so much about other people energy when you really don't care.

Your post just comes across as a know it all and smug. However, you admit you don't know what explicit consent is, but comment like you do.

The terms of the Yuno 24hr electric plan are wrong. They say smart variable tarrif, but it's not a variable price plan They dont need 30min data for a 24hr plan as every period, I will work it out for you so you don't have to care, that's 48 x 30min periods in a 24 hr period is the same tarrif...What's smart about that plan?

Nice intentional misrepresentation of my statement that I don't care. Anyway…

Its very clear you don't understand what a smart tariff is and what variable means in relation to electricity contracts.

I'd clarify what the terms do mean but I don't want to come across as smug correcting you. You've already 'worked things out' for me so I guess youll be able to figure it all out yourself.

Oh btw, what you 'worked out' is wrong in case you didn't figure that out yourself.

You are far too much hassle to try and discuss something with/help.

if it was me personally I would switch both on the 3rd of December just to avoid any possible penalty, the few days without discount will not be that bad

Energypal would be the best way to find the best option and try the other switcher sites just in case

energypal is great, you can upload your data file from Esb networks and it gives you the best plan tailored for your needs

that is likely something small that Esb networks will amend while you’re on the phone, when I started it I was using a different phone number to the one on file with Esb networks

Sorry for long post. Thank you for explaining the smart plan activation versus smart meter.

I think last year it was recommend unless you use a lot of night time electricity that you should not switch to smart plan - is that still the same?

I don't have a smart plan so I think energypal won't work for me for comparison. Switcher don't have my dual plan (affinity 30% off standard elect and 25% off standard gas rates).

Comparing my discounts on Bonkers and last 12mths usage looks like I am close to national average usage and they recommend Yuno (won't touch them) and SSE dual plan (not familiar with them) . Flogas 5e more expensive for the year if I include welcome cashback. Bord Gais have offered me 30% off electric and 29% off gas standard plans (this doesn't seem to be on Bonkers compared plans).

My plan ends Nov22 - I know Flogas had delays switching systems - does anyone know when I should apply to switch to Flogas to avoid paying full rate if I decide to move?