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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    that’s the cheapest around here anyways. Often hear of lads getting it for around €300 but definitely not around here.
    really noticed the weanlings licking the troughs after it, much more than any other nut or ration I’ve used. It’s like a power washer got at the trough.

    Re Kiernans. Just feeding bullocks and a small number of heifers for 7 weeks at finishing time. I’ve always found it good but I’m probably not the best person to ask as I would have good grass in a paddock system and only give max 2kg per head. They definitely wouldn’t lick the troughs as clean as the weanlings after the Grennans calf nut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭limo_100


    go with the Jfc it holds more the more it holes the better. I got 950kg of nuts into the Jfc one but it had to get a good shaking on the forklift to fit that amount in. It was an emerald nut by Paul and Vincent. The nut it self seems heavy densly packed. I think it’s called super beef in Pattons name. Fed it ad-lib to bulls and the best of them done 1.8 a day so is a good feed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭limo_100


    that’s good to know be interesting if you tried there buffalo nut next year it would be there top nut that they have. They say it is 1.12 ufl.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,167 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The Point I was making was you is that bags should not be much more expensive delivered. Was collecting a decent 16% ration at 350 per half ton last winter in bags, they eoukd deliver a pallet 1.75 ton for the same price about 8 miles from the mill. I would not be buying a lot of it. Can collect real maize ( yellow meal) off Kerry ( sorry farm&Home) store for 8/bag

    Ya every bag should have one, ingredients listed in decending order. TBH bagging and nut plants are well.paid for, they should not be more expensive than blown into a bin when you collect.

    In Dairygold you can buy by the pallet and collect as you want, Kerry will do it as well but I buy nothing but maize off them

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    my point is that I’ll use less than 2 ton over the winter - a lad get it blown it might use 20 ton, maybe 30 so likely he’ll get a better price alright.

    . I collect every 3 weeks on a Saturday in local town that passes a nice shop. Young lad (8 year old) comes with me and gets an ice cream and maybe I’ll get one too.

    Everything is not about saving a euro for me.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,258 ✭✭✭Who2


    it’s easy just say , buy the cheapest but there’s a massive difference in what some are referencing here. Some of the cooked 18% calf rations I’ve seen up on 480 per ton and I’ve still used them over another 16% at 350 . I’m currently using a calf grower nut at 375 to keep them moving over the winter and I can get other meals at just over 300 but they just don’t work the same. It’s not always the case but it you get what you pay for comes to mind.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,167 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    With the raw ingredients for even top quality rations now sub 250 a ton you miller's have substantial margins if prices are not forced down now beef farmers will be caught paying excessive prices like dairy farmers do.

    Yes you shoukd be getting a cooked ration for calves.....but you should be pricing around and insisting on ingredients. Agging plants and nutting machines are well paid for paying 40-50 a ton extra is its for the want of another expression. 130 a ton extra for a cooked ration is excessive.

    I was not on about you getting a bin for small quantities time is always tight farming. My pointbis you shoukd be a messing that ration in bags collected for the sane pri e or cheaper. I woukd not be heading to the mill with a tractor and bucket or something with a trailer to collect 300-500khs of ration. I still be collecting, the young lad still can go with you and get an ice cream.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    thanks. Might try it next year and see how it goes.

    Yes would agree. As i said in a previous post, I’m just judging my stock by the eye and I definitely think they’ve done better on the 18% calf nuts over the winter than previous 16% beef nut. Now I only give them 1kg so I could well be overstating the difference but I’d always try to have the best of silage under them - aim for 10th May silage and cut and baled dry from reseeded grass.

    If hauliers messing grain up prices then €400 is cheap silage but milk woukd shoukd khs ration collected i still be collecting



  • Registered Users Posts: 523 ✭✭✭WoozieWu


    its always worth paying for proper calf meal to feed calves

    the difference in price is harmless considering the amount they actually eat per head and you will see the difference in them at 6 months

    buying bags 10 at a time will be a nice bit more expensive though and no way around it if your not set up to take a pallet

    i was a few bags short on a meal and i think the difference was 2.50 a bag between the retail per bag price and what i was paying for a full pallet delivered



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Yeah, I looked at the JFC and also the Kingspan bins and just thought the Tipsy would be the easier to get the last of the meal out of.

    The other two have an awful lot of ridges at the bottom where as the Tipsy has that flat section when you tip it over for getting the last out.

    I could be wrong though and would welcome opinions on that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭kk.man


    I've old jfcs here as in black ones. Im relatively young but friend asked me bout them. His dad feeds cattle for him while at work i said it be a no no for his dad. Yellow and black jfcs i advised be the way to go. I've no experience of tippsy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Yeah it's the JFC with the yellow lids that have too many ridges at the bottom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭limo_100


    the idea of the ridges in injection moulding is for increased strength. Tbh the ridges are not a problem to we have a scoop but in general when it’s down that far I usually pull the bin forward and the meal piles up at the front of the bin away from the ridges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Neighbour uses two IBEC containers on his car trailer for to run to the co op for his meal on a Saturday to feed cattle, simple system. To get meal delivered is 30 euros a ton around here and 30 a ton extra for small bags, lads can talk about rations and price but it’s all about performance of the animal from ration and what suits very body system. Our system is ton meal bags.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭limo_100


    we must be very lucky they that the local co op delivers bulk bags for free and puts them into the Jfc bin. Great service.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭amacca


    Sami23 The JFC Tipsy bins are named appropriately, their main advantage afaics is they sit a bit taller and tip over easier than the slightly lower flatter jfc bins..and as you mentioned theres a bit less ridging in the bottom..I have both, they both work fine...I find the tipsy bins are easier to tip over when you get to the point you need to do thar....easier than the longer lower ones and they seem a bit sturdier to me ....that's about it, you will still be kneeling down to get the last bit out with a scoop imo.

    There was a business that had a spring loaded platform for the inside, it gradually raised the meal up as you emptied and less mass of feed was on platform reducing need to bend down into bin .… I don't know how effective that was or if they are still in business.....but I always wondered just how much meal would escape at the sides and drop below then requiring you to remove and clean mechanism and still have to tip bin over to get what escaped...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Thanks for info - which are you saying seems sturdier and if you were buying another in the morning which would you go for ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭amacca


    Think I'd go for the tipsy...it seems sturdier but tbh the others have never given me bother.....

    I cracked a lid in a storm, lid blew off as I was opening, struck bit where clasp fits...that's it.

    The other things to consider are price...I'm not sure if there's a differential but it better be small or else I'd go for cheaper option

    and the flatter ones have a screw cap at bottom and they made great water containers in the drought period we had during a summer years ago...you can screw on an outlet and tap, add a hose, stick them above a drinker and there's a couple of days water there for a group of calves etc.....if the tipsy don't have that Id be tempted with the flatter ones (I'm not near ours now, but I suspect the tipsy do have that)

    It's not that you couldn't do similar with a much cheaper IBC but.....the jfc bins are set up to be picked up easily with a bale hander with rollers....very handy to fill one on the loader, drive out with it filled with water and deposit.…

    There might be an opportunity for a business to make a frame for an IBC that makes it easy to pick up with a loader with rollers...I just use the pallet forks but really appreciate not having to change implements nowadays 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    You should ask what price you would have to pay if you collected the meal, you will find it’s cheaper to collect, no company runs a delivery service and driver for nothing and you will find it’s built into the price.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭limo_100


    it’s the same price. I do collect it sometimes when the bins are up the fields or I have free time over the winter. He moves a lot of meal in fairness to him I ordered some the other day for this week and he said he wasn’t going my way the next day and he dropped it off so very handy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,167 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What will the saving be even at 30/ ton and you collecting a ton its miniscule taking everything into account. Most Co-ops get pallets or ton lots delivered direct from there mill as opposed to dropping to the local co-op store so minimal extra cost. With some co-ops handling of bulk is treated little different

    To collect unless store is next to you its an hour gone as well as 5-10 euro worth of diesel. Personally I believe in parts of the country farmers have given independent Mills tge bad habbit of collecting from them. I did it for a while myself 15+years ago used to collect in 3-4 wheelie bins I was being sold the story that it was an excellent product until I realised the spec was little different to many other generic rations.

    I started pricing tons and pallets and realised I was being a busy fool

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    not necessarily…..if it means getting your business it can be worth taking the hit on delivery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Can you lift the JFC and Tipsy bins with the likes of a Fleming bale handler with the rollers off as in with just the spikes ?

    Spikes would be off for the winter here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭limo_100


    that’s it and that lorry is busy 5 out of 6days a week. They wouldn’t move that amount without having that approach. It’s a very handy service, I wouldn’t even price meal, fert anywhere else means a lot to get it into the yard as I don’t have the time to pick it up. Even land drainage pipes get all that delivered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭limo_100


    spikes would be too risky would and wouldnt be wide enough to spread the load of a full bin and could fatigue the plastic. Also a risk of puncture



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,402 ✭✭✭amacca


    100% I've done it but that's correct ....sooner or later you'll damage the bin I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 BeGrand2025


    I sent 15 heifers that didn’t make my pick for replacements this summer up to the mart. Average 20 months old, 490kgs making €4.31/kg.

    Price was up nearly 50% from this time last year when I sold the previous year’s batch. I couldn’t be happier with that. They would have done a bit better getting in before the SCEP deadline but there was still plenty of buyers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    I thought weanlings were back again last week. There is value out there if you wait around. I can’t see the sense in how someone is happy to pay €1000+ on Autumn dairy calves yet plenty nice weanlings can be picked up for 1100-1300 euro. You would say the work is practically done for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭50HX


    Thought the same watching a bit of castleisland today.

    300kg ish contentials out of contential dams were better value than previous weeks.

    Maybe some sort of a floor is taking shape which is no bad thing across all beef systems



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