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Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭degetme


    Is there any issue sending cows to factory that have passed 1 clear test for tb and their herdmates awaiting second clear test to be destricted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,972 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    you can send cows to factory at any stage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭degetme


    Do you need a permit from dvo for non reactor cow's still in restricted herd for factory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭Danny healy ray




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Grueller


    I'm holding all of my culls until the new year and fattening them for this exact reason. I have a dozen sucklers fattening as well and have held over the weanlings from them that I would normally have sold. Should all help with the spring bills too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,087 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Grand to have that nest egg. Iv only a couple of culls left, there's a bit of building going on and ill move than to help towards that if needs be. Worry about next years bills next year! Iv most of this year sorted thankfully so dont feel under pressure.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    You would wonder if someone is facing into next year without a cushion from this year is there a problem with their cost base and their financial discipline



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Don’t be giving them ideas .
    They have more than enough means of causing hardship



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭Arm Wax


    so would you guys not be carrying forward the 400 euros a cow needed a cow to get through the spring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,436 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Youd need 1000-1500 in the current account per cow to cashflow next year at a base price of 30 cent, depending on trading status weather company/sole trader, nearer 2k if theirs going to be a sizeable tax bill due for 24...

    Its not the first half of 26 that will be the issue, its the autumn/winter and spring of 27 when cashflow issues will really bite



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭older by the day


    30 cent 😀, there will be a lot of well fed calves around, and unpaid merchants.

    Good thing for us is the Americans farm for profit and they will cut back the nuts when it becomes unprofitable. It's the beef side of dairying calf/cull cow, that is keeping them flowing milk at the moment. Usually they would have slowed down by now and in six months demand would be rising



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Grueller


    That 30c would have to be the years average price for that 1000-1500 to be needed per cow. I don't think that will happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Grueller


    I would be and will be entering next year with all merchant, contractor etc bills cleared. We are coming off of a good 18 months so it's the minimum I would want on the farm here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,159 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    You cannot be saying things like that KG. There is lads here quoting cost bases of 40c/L++.......

    Cost discipline in good times is the key in any business. When beef falls back...and it will there will be a bit of weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    In a chat with a fairly large finisher at the factory during the week. It's was about 3-4 months since we met. At the time he was making serious money as there was a serious margin between the better store and the finished price. I said to him an the time that the gap would close. It was the first thing he commented on to me. As finishers/traders our margin is little different to last year at present.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,206 ✭✭✭straight


    I'm sure the industry will find plenty poster boys that can produce milk at 30 cent. Win Win, easy peasy, just like that coughlan lad.

    Driving on with investment here regardless.. The grants will be coming in for me next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,972 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    cost and I mean proper full cost is a minimum of high 30s and into 40s and that is just reality …no point in hero’s like Mike Brady trying to imply otherwise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,436 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    What do you see in 2026 that supports a base price over 30 cent? Theirs a flood of milk worldwide been processed up 3-5% worldwide, this product will need to find a home in the first half of the year, so will naturally keep prices depressed even if we see cows numbers/supply contract next summer/autumn...

    Theirs no masterplan in the likes of tirlain/dairygold to deliver anything other than world commodity prices next year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭stanflt


    every farm is different remember but done right every farm should be profitable

    Got a rude awakening from the accountant the other day - he told me that in the last 15 years since I’ve been farming I’ve paid out over 1 million in rent


    pity we don’t own a huge farm of land



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,532 ✭✭✭awaywithyou


    Grain is like milk at the moment plentiful and cheap… Americans will drive on for next 12 months at least… thank god for beef prices as they wont expand numbers.. it looks they will breed just enough dairy heifers for replacements… and everything else will be beef… that might be a help… as Jay said i think it could be April/May 2027 before we see prices going up again… next years weather will also be a factor… if its a bad yr weather wise we see a price rise sooner than that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭the_blue_oval


    it’s doable, if you’re on all owned land with no debt and require little to no drawings from the farm… but it would be some miserable existence….


    Maybe there’s an odd young lad in a unique situation that he inherited a perfect farm and he’s able to do it if all he needs at the moment is beer and fag money, but for 99% of us, having to produce milk for around 30c for more than a year, we’d be pulling the pin on the whole thing and stopping milking.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,206 ✭✭✭straight


    How exactly did you need an accountant to tell you that like. I farm within my own resources here, not enriching others as much as possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,206 ✭✭✭straight


    Propaganda doesn't have to be true. It just upbeat enough to keep the gravy train going.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 4,703 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    I agree with the first part of what you say and disagree with the second.

    First part - all farms are different, but on owned land and no big overheads, 30c should be possible.

    Second part - farmers won't pull the pin and stop milking. Some lads have no other options, some lads love it regardless, and the rest of us are somewhere in between. I'm milking part-time and trying to get to a place where I could farm full-time. Does it make sense? No. Will I stop? Probably not. At least, not yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,954 ✭✭✭stanflt


    don’t need an accountant to tell me that he just pointed it out to me


    reality is there are 3 families taking from the farm here that’s why we have to rent so much



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭DBK1


    As long as that million investment made a profit for you that’s all that matters.

    You must be renting 300+ acres a year to have spent that in rent? If you had decided to buy 300 acres 15 years ago instead the first problem you’d have had would be to find someone selling it. Then you would have needed 3 million+ to buy it which I assume you would have had to borrow so you’d have needed to find a bank willing to lend you that when we were still in the middle of the economic crisis. Then you’d have had all the interest on the loan and still have to find money somewhere after all that to stock the land.

    Yes you would have owned the asset at the end of it all but the million you have already spent would have needed to be 2 million by now and you still wouldn’t be half way towards paying for it all yet.

    Renting land isn’t always the dead money that some lads view it as.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭Grueller




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    LLand Is costing us 8 cent a litre between repayments and rent last 10years.i treat like diesel or ration and don't let it bother me.land bounding me was sold last year and I m renting now for .75% of the price nevermind the interest on it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭the_blue_oval


    Couldn’t agree more, but it is doable, but not one bit sustainable from a mental health point of view



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭the_blue_oval


    I agree that it can be done by some, but only just about, and only by some. We will come in at circa 28c this year before, drawings, land rent, repayments and tax. Bar 3c spent on extra feed due to drought, I’m not seeing where we could tighten up costs anywhere And those are not small bills that are left out there. household is fully reliant on the farm here. Say a modest drawings of €35000 of drawings on 600000litres for 100 cow herd, thats going to add 6 c/l onto cost straight away, so you’re at 34c/l. And 35000 won’t go far if there’s kids and a mortgage. Tax still has to be paid yet at that, and land rental and repayments are going to be there in most cases, because the business is just standing still in that scenario, which is fine for some.

    I do agree with you that most lads won’t pull the pin, but if having to survive at close 30c/l became the norm, i do think a lot of people would be seriously questioning the job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,972 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j




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