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2025 Nov 01 | AI's Round 1 | Ireland v New Zealand | 20:10 GMT | VM in Ire / TNT & Discovery+ in UK

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    No, it’s almost certainly because virtually every single kick was way overcooked and gave the catcher an easy uncontested catch.

    Beirne is a great forward, and no one anywhere is suggested he be dropped, but he’s also 33.

    Ahern is all potential but he’s shown virtually nothing up to this point. I wouldn’t be opposed to him featuring next week, but Baird (broadly the same age) is very justifiably well ahead of him right now in the Ireland pecking order.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,509 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You absolutely, categorically, can not make a good case for sacking Andy Farrell. Like c'mon, can we please stay in the realms of reality here a little bit. The Ireland team is in a bit of a hole, one that he has partly helped dig, but that is going to happen to every coach at some point. The good ones get out of it again. If he has actually "fried" his two 10s confidence then neither of them deserve to be professional sportsmen - however I do not think that is even close to the case.

    Also Edwin Edogbo has played 66 mins of rugby in 2 years and got himself injured again. His name belongs nowhere near any discussion on the Ireland team at the moment.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,509 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Has Gavin been injured? Cause he has only one start for Connacht this season.

    Farrell is the only real option there at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Baird has showed very little in 30 caps, and got what? 2 turnovers yesterday? That's good, but take PoM, he'd give you those turnovers and give you more on the ground. You guys are just show pony watchers. We've got Bairds coming out of our arse pockets in Munster.

    Edogbo showed more in 40 minutes against those same internationals than they showed in the same 40. Also got a jackal turn over, which is something missing from this squad. When was the last time Ryan scored a turnover? Or Baird?

    Also, I don't need to make a case for sacking Andy, he's doing that on his own. He's probably shortened the career of his starting team through lack of proper rotation. Porter is a shadow of the machine that he used to be, Andy is to blame for forcing him to do 70 minutes in game after game.

    If he starts his first team against Japan, he really should go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Like with Prendergast last year, the likes of Ahern and Izuchukwu need to be given meaningful gametime to improve things in the 2nd row. Henderson and Beirne are in mid 30s and it's possible one/both do not make the 2027 RWC.

    Centre is also a major problem. Henshaw has looked very slow this year, Aki is 35 and Ringrose (31 soon) and McCloskey (33). Tom Farrell is 32 so longer term isnt a solution. Hume and Postlewaite as well as Cooney and Gavin along with Osborne are realistically where the future lies.

    Some big decisions need to be made and soon.

    Id be massively in favour of seeing Casey start the SA and Aus games.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,354 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I've re-watched the game and I'm left feeling very so slightly more optimistic than I was at full time last night. We played in roughly the right areas of the pitch for most of it. Eked out plenty of penalties to put pressure on New Zealand and forced them into errors, especially in their handling. They found it very hard to break us down for 55 minutes if the game and until the final quarter they only looked threatening when we were down to 14 men.

    What really let us down was our execution. Our attacking lineout was awful. New Zealand always seemed to have a jumper in the air right where ours was positioned. From what I remember our lineout completion has actually been decent this season. It was 65% yesterday and that's just not good enough. Couldn't convert our possession or territory into points. The fact we've fixed those issues before makes me think we'll do it again.

    A lot of our strategy was based on kicking for territory and to contest. Unfortunately that wasn't executed well either. They were simply too long and didn't allow us the chance to compete in the air or to put the receiver under pressure. I would hope that's something we could fix as Crowley looked completely shot of confidence the further the game went on.

    Our issues with execution were summed up for me with an attacking set piece move we had off a scrum on the New Zealand 10 metre line. JGP feinted to go to the side of the pitch with more space, but went back to the short side where there was a 4 man strike move planned. The ball went to Crowley who subsequently passed behind everyone and to the ground. I don't know if it was a poor pass, miscommunication on the planned move or the initial receiver of the Crowley pass overrunning his mark. Maybe a bit of everything. But that's a move they would have run dozens of times in training and the first time they broke it out it was botched.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,903 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I don't know, but again, our lads have had 4 games this season. It's a joke. The IRFU need to take accounting of themselves here. 4 games by the start of Nov is not acceptable. They knew the Lions was going to have an impact on the schedule, yet let the provinces away with nonsense like Leinster playing 1preseason game. Chasing cash by playing a match in Chicago where our completely undercooked team lost badly benefits no one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭50HX


    Edogbo was selected by Farrell as a training panelist, albeit he got injured but its not inconceivable to think that if he had travelled he may bench v Japan.

    Paddy Mc's minutes are hardly "worthy" of a benching v NZ. imo but Farrell has clearly identified the need for a back up to Porter, the same case could be put forward for looking at a second row back instead of default Henderson.

    For what its worth Ahern may not be a second row option, stop gap yes but long term no



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,509 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Sure, I have high hopes for him and you can't replicate his physicality. Saying he will make a huge difference to Ireland is insane hyperbole though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭almostover


    My biggest gripe with respect to Andy Farrell and his coaching team is that they haven't addressed the issues in this team that led to our QF exit to NZ 2 years ago. We lost again last night for many of the same reasons we did in 2023.

    A lineout that couldn't reliably secure possession or provide a platform in the oppositions half. A scrum that keeps getting pinged on the LH side. And worse than that, an attack that has become more even more blunt in the opposition's 22. That for me is unforgivable.

    If we truly want to get over our WC QF hoodoo then we need to be far more ruthless when the required coaching changes are not being made. It will never happen but if these same failings persist beyond this series and into the 6N then serious questions should be asked about continuing Farrell's tenure. We can't afford to waste another WC cycle.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,509 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Sure, I don't disagree with any of that. I think the lineout issue is my biggest gripe, as it has fundamentally been clear it has not been working consistently for years. POC said in an interview he had the option to go on the Lions tour and if that is true I really don't know what the hell Farrell is doing. I certainly don't think he is infallible, but he is also still our most successful coach to date. He has also won the 6N the last two times he coached the team. There is no real case for firing him in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭almostover


    Not yet, but the buck stops with him for the failures of his coaching staff. Like I said, come the 6N if these same issues are failing us then some ruthlessness needs to be applied.

    I think now too the lineout is a foregone conclusion with POC in charge. It's become a psychological thing and the players must have lost all confidence in their system. A new voice is needed there, I can't see any other solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,903 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    We could've looked to get Flannery or Donnacha Ryan back into the fold. Two guys who have actually gone out and had success as coaches, unlike POC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭JM2300


    If a player is going to have "ups and downs" then they aren't good enough to be a starting player. The team needs reliable winners in every position, it isn't a training squad for underdeveloped players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,628 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I think we'll see a much improved team next week if I'm being honest. There were a few times we almost got through but couldn't make it stick. That'll come with more gametime.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    By that rationale we would never select young players…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭almostover


    The issue is that both Crowley and Prendergast are having their ups and downs and will continue to do so in the short term at least.

    There isn't a viable alternative to them. Crowley is slightly ahead IMO. Having to change the defensive shape to accommodate Prendergast on the wing is too disruptive. Crowley needs to sort out his kicking game out of hand.

    Both players have those weak areas each that haven't come good yet. Until 1 or both of them does so then the ups and downs are going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    We don’t have anyone who fits that bill though. It’s either Crowley, Prendergast or someone even less proven.

    It’s a big problem with no easy answers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 382 ✭✭HanShotFirst


    People are going to lose their sh’t when Henshaw is named for the Japan game

    Henderson is probably going to get promoted from the bench and all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭JM2300


    You select young players that are good enough. Being young isn't an excuse for not being good enough or reliable, certainly not past 21 or 22.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Nobody is saying that Crowley had a good game. But he was at least a 6 on a bad day. I'll take that, because he'll improve with game time and we know his good days are special. Giving him a single game against the ABs to "prove his worth" is exactly what I've come to expect from the usual suspects. Here's a thought, give him a full 6N to bed in, freshen up the team, fix the real issues (lineout, scrum and overplayed starters), give him some cohesive selections around him and we'll see what he has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Bart97


    That sort of attitude is how you end up with +35 year olds in certain positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,849 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Great if youre France or even England with the number of players they have.

    Who would you pick yourself at 10 who "is good enough" ?

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭Bart97


    He’s been one of the best young players in Irish rugby this season so far…based on that he is good enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭JM2300


    Just pick the best players and don't give excuses, that's all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,607 ✭✭✭✭cson


    While we definitely need to figure out life at SH post JGP, I can categorically say Craig Casey is not, and will not be the answer. Good club scrum half, not at the level at all for international.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,501 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Read back to what posters were saying about Conor Murray when he arrived on the scene and some stuck to that mantra right throughout his career.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,903 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,501 ✭✭✭✭phog


    If it's size you want why not stick in Furlong in as scrumhalf



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,955 ✭✭✭almostover


    Peter Stringer was, and won 99 caps for his country and was a key player for several years.



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