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Foynes Line

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Are there 400 buses a day each way? That's roughly how many return journeys that would be needed to shuttle 10,000 people through the village from the temp station.

    Although I'd question how many users the train will attract. There are going to be 20000 P&R spaces between the proposed temporary P&R facilities at Annacotty, Patrickswell and Croagh. I'd question how many people will actually go into Colbert to use the train when the P&Rs will be much easier to access and the shuttle buses using the M7, M20 and the bypass won't need to enter the village.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,969 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Would 10,000 be expected to use the train ?

    The people using Colbert I imagine would be the ones in the city already and the ones who can't drive to the park & ride. If people go there in enough numbers to sell out every train for a 45k match in Cork then why not this. The walk to PuC ain't quick either.

    Won't happen anyway because the platform will never get built. That's what will kill it.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    There's not a hope a temporary station made out of scaffolding would be allowed. This station is proposed to have 10000 daily users each way during the tournament. There will have to be welfare facilities, bus set down and parking areas, security facilities.

    This is the type of setup proposed for the P&R. It's got an area for people to wait, toilets and a bus pickup/set down area as well as the car parks. It needs to go through Part 8 planning. IE don't have access to Part 8 so will need to submit an application to the council.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,969 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ah ok. I can't imagine it would be more than a couple of trains a day if it ever did happen. As I said big GAA match numbers whatever that figure would be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭pigtown




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    The P&Rs? The council published part 8 plans last week. One just off the Mackey Roundabout, one at Limerick Racecourse and three located around the new link road between the current N21 and the Adare bypass.

    https://mypoint.limerick.ie/en/browse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,072 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Well if you know Adare you know that the railway stations is on the north of main thorough fare, and the mannor is on the south of it with the golf course south of that again straddling the river.

    It's not like there is a motorway. At this stage any temporary station will have to be completely outside Adare. Probably nearer Patrickwell than Adare.The shuttle buses will have to compete with Park and Ride buses for access to the golf course.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,519 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Whatever about the chances of getting planning approval (including overcoming any subsequent legal challenges) for a station at Adare, a station at Foynes would be even more difficult. Having hundreds of people wander through an active port from waters edge to the rail line would be a health and safety nightmare.

    Do IÉ even own the buildings adjoining the rail line? Is there any indication of how they would be able to handle loading and unloading at Foynes to be able to use the line they are currently spending the guts of €200m on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,969 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Well "closer to Patrickswell" is just you taking guesses that suit your opposition.

    Why should shuttle buses from a train station not be allowed compete with shuttle buses from a car park. It's going to take the exact same amount of buses in the end so no train station means more shuttle buses from the car park.

    That's a fine set up compared to some of the dumps I was left waiting in for festival P&Rs over the years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Given the single line and few if any passing loops, and a reversal at Limerick Check, how many DMUs would you need for a 30-minute interval service to Adare, and how many passengers could realistically be carried in a day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,790 ✭✭✭flyingsnail


    Given its single line all the way out and back you would probably only be using one set unless you were crossing arrivals and departures at Limerick. Capacity would depend on how long of a train they would use, hell of a difference between a 2 piece and a 8 piece.

    Of course not all services have to start and end in Limerick, if there was stock available you could add in direct services from Dublin and Cork.

    I have never attended any golf events, is there a constant turn over during the day or is it mostly morning arrivals and evening departures?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    There will be a loop beyond Adare which is roughly half way

    Bit of quick math is one train each way every 40 minutes or a stream of trains from Limerick every 20 minutes until you run out of places to park them

    You would have to send some 29k's down from Dublin, that looked like a plan until DART+ fleet got pushed out 15 months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,969 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What do they do for special trains for other sports events and concerts ?

    They are usually the big trains not the 29ks which I thought were the smaller commuters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭Ardrageen


    Is it a coincidence that the Station House in Adare sold for 2 million 3 weeks ago?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,275 ✭✭✭trellheim


    The Ryder cup a few weeks ago had several helicopters operating from NY airports taking punters direct to the golf course. I'd say Shannon will be no different, and Dublin/Cork , its the very definition of punters with lots of money. suspect train will be a minotiry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,504 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Concert/Sport specials typically are extra trains outside peak hours, mostly on weekends

    Adare will be a sustained operation for several days midweek and will have a peak in demand in the morning and evening

    At most IE could turn up maybe 1 6 car ICR and 1 MK4 set Mon-Thurs, Friday no chance

    If you want to maximise capacity, an 8 car 29k will take approx 800 in some degree of standing comfort, its only 20 minutes to get to Adare



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,969 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Fair enough.

    I can't imagine it will be an over and back all day service if it does run but to be honest I know little about Ryder Cup attendance flow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Are there enough spare DMUs to provide a service of worthwhile capacity?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 118 ✭✭BestWestern


    Considering that they are happy to allow pax stand all the way from Limerick to Galway every weekday on an 'intercity' route, I believe the answer is a no.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    If the BEMUs enter service, then yes they will have spare capacity in the summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Not a coincidence.

    IE applied to LCCC for a Section 5 (Exempted Development) declaration in early July 2025 in respect of:

    Installation of a temporary platform at Adare Station, approximately 174m long and between 4m and 6m in width. Including lighting, CCTV, access paths and fencing. The installation will be temporary and removed following the Ryder Cup event.

    Following this there was some back and forth between IE and LCCC about Bat Habitats that caused a delay however the Section 5 declaration was finally signed and issued by LCCC on 25th September 2025.

    The window for appeal to ACP against the Section 5 is 4 weeks from date of issue, so this has now closed.

    The negotiations in respect of the purchase of the old station building and it’s .92 hectare site had presumably been taking place and concluded in the meantime and the deal obviously closed once the Section 5 was issued.

    So somebody has bought the old station for TWO MILLION EURO to facilitate the construction of a temporary platform that will be in use for a short period of time. I can only think of three possible purchasers who could have shelled out that kind of spondulix:

    • JP
    • John Moronic/LCCC
    • IE

    If the train service is used for say 10,000 passenger journeys in total*, the total cost will work out somewhere between €300 and €500 per passenger journey, if not more. It will be very interesting to see what the ticket price is. Fair enough if JP is funding this, it’s his money and knowing him he will probably turn a profit on it somehow, but if it’s either of the other two it’s an absolute disgrace and a disgusting waste of taxpayer’s money.

    For anybody who wants more detail the LCCC planning file is available here:

    https://www.limerick.ie/sites/default/files/media/documents/2025-10/ec-140-25-the-station-house-carraghbeg-adare.pdf


    * the 10,000 passengers per direction per day figure is bonkers and makes no sense. 10,000 passenger journeys in total over the three days is a much more realistic figure.

    Post edited by Hibernicis at


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    There's not a hope a temporary station made out of scaffolding would be allowed.

    Completely wrong. See below, from IE’s description of the proposed development:

    2.0 PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT

    The proposed passenger platform will be of temporary form, using a scaffold based construction which will measure approximately 174 metres-in length and will vary in width between 4 metres and 6 metres wide. It will comply with IE and Commission for Railway Regulation standards for station platform construction.

    Ancillary works will also be provided – such as lighting, CCTV, access paths, fencing, signage, and platform furniture. The platform structure will be installed in advance of the Ryder Cup event, and removed following the event. The proposed development is shown on the drawings listed in 5.0. There are no works planned to be undertaken on the Old Station House, which is a protected structure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,519 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The cost of installing, operating and removing the temporary station also have to be considered. That could be another €500k and more if the station is also required to facilitate shuttle buses.

    A single platform is not going to be much use, if going to this effort, why not include a second platform? There seems to be plenty of space, could be an island platform if they don't want two temporary structures.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    So from looking at that document, there is no provision for pickup/set down by any type of vehicle, never mind a bus.

    That leaves a 2km walk to the golf club. Not ideal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,969 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Not ideal but not any different to many sporting events in terms of the distance.

    Having nowhere for the taxis and minibuses that will inevitably try show up is surely a hazard though.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,205 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    For me there would be a bit of a safety issue outside the station, as it's a narrow road with a narrow footpath from the station in towards the village for 4-500m. Unless of course they close that road for the week.

    Then I'll assume that there'll be entrances into the event from the village as there is no footpath between the entrance to the manor and the golf club entrance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,969 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I would imagine there will be more entrances than normal not that I am that familiar with the layout of the Manor.

    Under normal circumstances a blind eye would be turned to large crowds of people dangerously walking on roads for miles to get to GAA matches but the government I have a feeling won't want that for the well heeled Ryder Cup crowd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭pigtown


    That's actually a pleasant surprise. Apart from the temporary platform it makes a permanent station here much easier in future and might be another tangible step towards a suburban rail network for the city. (Moyross and Ballysimon Stations, double tracking of the L.Junction line being other real steps)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,275 ✭✭✭trellheim


    As far as I can see its a riverwalk along the Maigue from the station ? You have to cross the N21 at the end but I presume a temp crossing or ped overbridge will be put in as the N21 would be very busy indeed.



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