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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 162 ✭✭The Mathematician


    I would expect a service to wait at a given set of stops (which are labelled as such in the timetable) and not leave until the timetable says it should. I don't really think that is too much to ask. In fact I thought we had already achieved that, but it seems we have not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    As I already said they do wait at certain stops along the route that are agreed with the unions as suitable, but normally buses aren’t running particularly early and 2 mins is more than sufficient to bring it back on time. If buses on the S6 are, as you suggest, waiting for longer than that then that’s a problem as the timetable is too generous and people will get frustrated.

    This particular situation on the 24 is not normal nor typical.

    For most routes the problem is the other way around - not enough running time and buses running late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 162 ✭✭The Mathematician


    Really the problem with the S6 is that the traffic is very variable, it is very different in term time compared to out of term time. It is actually quite good when traffic allows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That’s why you need different schedules for different times of the year.

    Dublin Bus do that but GAI for some reason don’t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    69X this morning pulled in at the stop outside Harris/Izuzu on the Naas Road and played the 'in order to get the bus back on schedule there will be a short delay' message. I've never heard that on any of the X routes before, thought whole point of them is they're supposed to be quicker. Might have been a new driver I suppose.

    The other week on the reverse journey back out to Rathcoole, there was crap traffic at the turn off into Kilmainham from Con Colbert. Driver obviously was fed up, so we ended up going straight up the N4 and onto the M50 southbound and then back onto the N7 at the Red Cow. I was delighted, but hopefully nobody was waiting to get on/off at Kylemore Luas!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Kylemore is officially only set down on the outbound trip (not pick-up) on the 69x.

    Drivers can only go off route if instructed to do so by central control - that would be a red flag on the system. Drivers don't decide to go off-route by themselves.

    The X routes are subject to the same restrictions as every other route in terms of being on time at pick up stops.

    Inbound the 69x picks up at Kylemore LUAS so the schedule is important - it was running a minute ahead of time this morning, looking at BusTimes, hence the wait, but once it passes that stop there are no restrictions as it is set down only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Is there a Route map for the 82 that includes stops it serves?

    Was waiting at stop 495 on Westland Row and the 82 made no attempt to get in lane and stop. Stayed in the driving lane past the stop, ready for turning right onto Pearse St.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭DaBluBoi




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 51 ✭✭DrivingSouth


    In terms of the previous phases, when they have had time to have a few bites at the time table cherry, do they eventually get it more or less right or are we destined to suffer forever more.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Christ, I wonder do they all skip it. Seems difficult to get from the left lane at that stop over to right lane in short distance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭VG31


    There's a similar problem at stop 1633 at Dardistown for the 24. The traffic for the right turn lane is usually backed up much further than that stop. It's a very quiet stop though so probably isn't too much of a problem but it should still be removed as a stop for the 24.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭StreetLight


    That stop is behind a row of lane divider bollards. There is no way a bus can serve it and then try to turn right onto Pearse Street. The NTA has made a mistake in allocating that stop to the route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭jd


    And the E1 never serves stop 6182 northbound after Santry Avenue - it would be diificult to get into the right turn lane for Northwood

    https://bustimes.org/stops/8220DB006182



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    I'll make a complaint to the NTA and have it dealt with ASAP 🤣

    I was eager to see how the bus would navigate the small gap in the dividers but it is likely all services skip it as it is not workable.

    The app lead me to that stop. RTPI board has the 82 on it. Stop has printed timetable ffs. I don't think anyone from the NTA is driven the routes in a car or even on Google street view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Taisteal Éireann


    I've seen the 82 drop-off and pick-up at stop 100111, where the 133 and NX stop, on Westland Row as it can't access stop 495 due to the bollards as other posters have mentioned. I know that the NTA are trying to keep the city and regional bus stops separate, but I see no reason why the 82 can't serve stop 100111 instead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭john boye


    That stop 495 on Westland Row stood out to me as very difficult for the 82 to serve. There's a gap in the bollards which may be for the 82 to switch lanes but even still it doesn't look possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    I actually did walk back to the stop 100111 to double check if the 82 would stop there, based on the lane and bollard layout near 495.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Apparently the ‘82’ on the stop flag on Westland Row towards Irishtown has been covered over and blanked out with a yellow sticker - still shows and counts down though on the RTPI screen beside the stop - that’ll need a timetable change to fix it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Just a question on 'there will be a short delay to get the bus back on schedule'. This is re an existing route (38B) rather than a new route, but this seems the best thread to ask.

    Route 38b Both

    Above is the timetable from the Dublin Bus site, which gives a journey time from Damastown to Burlington Road of 18+5+10+5+12 = 50 mins. This is optimistic, a rarity to do it in 50 mins in the morning peak, but yet regularly does the 'short delay'.

    Yesterday was particularly egregious on the 7.56 departure. Stopped in Corduff early, then travelled noticeably slowly on a day when there wasn't a lot of passengers due to mid-term, then a second stop at Ashtown at 8.24 (28 minutes after departure, so 10 minutes behind schedule). And a final stop in Nassau St at 9.05 when it was clearly way beyond the allocated 50 minutes.

    So I guess the question is were the customers being lied to and the reason for the halts was nothing to do with being ahead of schedule, or is there a 'real schedule' separate to the 50 minutes officially stated?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    You’re making a fundamental (but entirely understandable) mistake there.

    Those timings are just a rough guide - they are not the timetable.

    To be fair, it does say under them that they are “off-peak estimates”. They haven’t been updated in ages.

    The actual timetable showing each stop is available for individual departures on the TFI app or journey planner and the full route on bustimes.org

    The stop-by-stop timetable changes several times a year:

    End of August, start of June and for some routes during the school mid-term breaks.

    The actual timetable for that departure this week is below:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    @LXFlyer Cheers, appreciate the response.

    I did see 'off-peak estimates' but thought it was just boiler-plate text copied to every timetable and didn't apply here. Because remember this route is only a peak-time route anyway - therefore it seemed reasonable to me that the 50 minutes was the official peak-time estimate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Seems like the E1 is getting two extra peak-time departures from Monday - a short Woodbrook College→Parnell Square service at 7:15, and a Parnell Square→Ballywaltrim service at 17:08. The Woodbrook service was previously a feature of the 145, so good to see that making a re-appearence.

    https://www.dublinbus.ie/news/revised-times-on-route-15-and-e1

    Route E1 will have two additional departures Monday to Friday. Route E1 will operate from stop 4202, Woodbrook College towards Parnell Square West at 07:15hrs and from stop 264, Parnell Square East towards Ballywaltrim at 17:08hrs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    As I said, the official timetable is the one in the journey planner - that’s the bible (except when it’s wrong like the 24!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Just an off-note too... The public timetable and the ones drivers work too are different, in that 'official' timings can be wildly different. One example is a duty I used to do, 0710 leaving Sandyford and officially hand over at 0820 on PSQW but the timetable had us actually handing over at 0749. Midterm made that a nightmare because you'd be there for 0749 but the Pressit box says you're 30 minutes early. Can't win 😊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Yeah that’s an issue with flexing the running times - driver duties don’t flex with them.

    You really need to have revised rosters for the different “profiles” - one big change that started this year is that they are only going to change the running times at three or four set dates - not like the semi-regular resets they did before (without telling Joe Public of course!).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    I'm out of there now, but that was a major factor in why I left. They just don't listen to the drivers when they say it's unreasonable. I'm still in public transport but it's very hard to be early on a train 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭john boye


    That's a shame it couldn't work as it will leave quite a distance between the Clare Street stop and the next one opposite Pearse Street Library.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,590 ✭✭✭ShagNastii


    Was on a 19 year old beat up diesel bus coming out of town on the new 73 route.

    Doesn't scream progression or sustainability.

    At times it seems like they actively want to discourage use of public transport.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭George White


    I feel this, especially with the mostly utter **** TFI Help Centre. Recently got a wonderful guy on there who I was so surprised by how well he did his job, I told him and thanked him personally.



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