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CHC Contract for Search and Rescue gone to Bristow

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,317 ✭✭✭CardinalJ


    R116 just roared overhead pretty low and fast from Weston to Killiney. (Looks like a rescue rather than training)

    Ive noticed previously it seems like it flies lower than the S92 did. Does anyone know if this is the case?

    Certainly this evening it was the lowest/fastest thing to fly over our area since the Ospreys for the college football game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭Razor44


    Spotted the new heli using MED116 call sign, are they going to switch between Rescue and Med depending on roll? or are they dropping rescue as their active call sign?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    If this evening, while the website may have shown MED116, it was using a Coast Guard callsign, IIRC, en route to a ship NE of Dublin. I doubt they would drop "Rescue" for actual missions as this is their primary role.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 732 ✭✭✭AnRothar


    3 Callsigns available.

    RESCUE for SAR missions

    MEDEVAC for patient transfer

    IRISH COASTGUARD for training



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,534 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    It's all a bit inconsistent at the moment, I've seen CG, CGI and IRCG for training, R and RSQ for rescue, and sometimes just the aircraft ID.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    There are still two operators at the moment, of course, each with their own designators, so that's part of the reason for the variety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭LiamaDelta


    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0821/1529564-coast-guard-ireland/

    They seem to have had some sort of a 'launch'/publicity drive yesterday. They were calling it a launch of the fixed-wing service withthe Beechcraft. Looks like they will have a broader role than just S&R, doing patrols and monitoring for pollution etc.

    "For the first time, the Coast Guard has a dedicated fixed wing aircraft which will enable it to meet international obligations in proactive maritime environmental monitoring and pollution investigation, enhancing our overall awareness of any threats to our maritime environment, covering an area of 132,000 square miles."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,384 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There's been a significant increase in use of the (volunteer) lifeboat for patient transfer from Arranmore since Sligo changed to Bristow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    As of yesterday, CHC S-92s were still operating as IRCG118 from Sligo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,384 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The RNLI posted a goodbye thing for them some months ago; and they are now doing patient transfers at a rate which they never did before (3 on Sunday alone). It's possible that Shannon had been doing some of the work before in that case.

    Or CHC not doing, as subs for Bristow, what Bristow won't?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    S92's are still based at Sligo & Waterford, Waterford is EI-ICS & EI-ICU & EI-ICG are at Sligo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Hardly, a huge amount of those medevacs are no different to Aran Islands, walking wounded that dont require a helicopter to be tasked, but also some are due to weather too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭emo72


    Lads I want to ask a basic question, I'm a pleb so I can't read between lines or anything like that.

    Did CHC not get the contract renewed as punishment for the crash at BlackRock?

    As an outsider looking in it's hard to know what's going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 53 ✭✭DrivingSouth


    My information, which admittedly is 2nd hand, is that they weren't punished for the crash per se, but in the wake of the crash they dirtied their bib invoking certain clauses in the contract which were to their benefit but seen as against the spirit of things given the context. So by the end they didn't have many friends in the coast guard. Also the findings in the accident report didn't do them any favours.

    But at the end of the day, the tender process is highly scrutinised by all sorts of involved parties, so there never could be a simple we are taking the contract off you and giving it to someone else who is twice the price etc.

    The cost guard do get to write the specs in the tender so you can steer it this way and that. But it would all need to be very justifiable.

    As it happens, the spec was written to not require s92 helicopters but that's not to do with Chc, bristow operate the type elsewhere. That was to do with the timing with sikorsky who had just cancelled the s92b program effectively meaning it was no longer in production. I think since they are now offering an s92a+. But parts were already becoming an issue and reliability and support were not that stellar.

    There's a lot online about the pros and cons of the s92 vs the aw189 but anyone I've talked to in the industry, it's far from a slam dunk which is the preferred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,495 ✭✭✭emo72


    Driving South, thanks for such a good answer👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    It's unfortunately the case that the Dáil Public Accounts Committee is a largely a political performance stage for TDs and it would be erroneous to believe that it is primarily focused on establishing facts in a professional and dispassionate manner. Anyone who has observed these types of proceedings or who has had the dubious pleasure of being called as a witness will probably be aware of this. I may end up being surprised on this occasion but my hopes are not very high.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭vswr


    nothing will happen at the Accounts Committee other than a waste of taxpayer's money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Well said & the 189 is way off being a slam dunk it is not big enough to carry all the required gear & never will be, it is not a combined SAR/HEMS aircraft like the S92 is & SAR/HEMS combined is what the IRCG are doing, the 189 needs to land back at base & waste time by swapping out gear & setting up for whatever it is required to do so if R115 is airborne for SAR training & down off Kerry & has a HEMS tasking in Co Clare they have to rtb & swap all the gear out, total waste of time, the S92 is airborne for SAR & the same happens to them its no issue they just head to the HEMS tasking while airborne. Shitshow.

    This tender is a joke. Heads should be rolling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭vswr


    Or the pragmatic approach of using the actual HEMS aircraft in Athlone, or reverting to SAR regs in a life and death scenario (which is invoked numerous times, particularly in Scotland, and was recently invoked at the helicopter crash on the Isle of Wight in the south of the UK) would be the more realistic approach.

    But don't let the truth ruin a good scaremonger story.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭vswr


    Also, what currently happens when the S-92 is already on task on something else?

    Or (and even though you like to claim it doesn't, it actually does) has to on/off load kit?

    They call in another asset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Lol you are priceless, thats a daylight only service, but do try harder & dont forget how strapped the IAC is, remember this is the EAS birdie that got taken off EAS to raid a cargo ship & fight fires but whatever you seem to be ok with the patient suffering. And when the S92 is on call they task another S92 which is just as capable & while we are at it if you took the time to ask the end user ya know the crews you would fully understand it doesnt need to land to re role its ready all the time everytime but ya know dont let the truth & facts get in the way of your stories about the heli that cant do what the 92 can.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭vswr


    So, just going to overlook all the other bits I mentioned? Oh ok then. I don't have to try harder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    EI-IRF is broken yet again, literally broken from day 1!! Shes only recently back from an trip over there & was going back over to 2Excel in Lasham for maintenance again this morning & a recurring issue forced them back to Shannon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    EI-IRF is flight-planned SNN-KIR-SNN today - maybe to see if the issue has been resolved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    EI-IRF gone to Cardiff, as it stands there is now no top cover, spoke to SAR lads & they said their information is the king Air is offline with a return date unknown. The Diamond will return to Ireland & will fill the gap at a time & date to be advised as that is out of Ireland too & wasn’t due back here in the 1st place & still no sign of the 2nd Airframe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭vswr


    2Excel flew a DA-62 into Shannon yesterday for top cover. Please stop telling lies, we get it, you love CHC and the Air Corps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    🤣 Lies it aint & Keep drinking that coolaide, working a treat for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 640 ✭✭✭vswr


    No coolaide here, just facts..

    You claim to have contacts in the Coastguard and spout any tidbit of gossip of "how everything is terrible", yet by the time you claimed there was no top cover, there had been a replacement aircraft into Shannon, which had subsequently flown in and out the same afternoon under an Irish Coastguard designator.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,241 ✭✭✭Psychlops


    Because the information was correct at the time, down boy.



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