Who actually wants the Dublin Airport passenger cap abolished?

There are thousands of American tourists every year flying into Dublin in order to explore the Wild Atlantic Way so the demand for other airports is definitely there if it gets marketed a bit better.

But I accept that's the fault of management at the other Airports and not the DAA

All this talk of cars vs. Aircraft is pretty useless unless those cars are able to turn into boats or fly.. Until then remove the airport cap now, we're not Germany or Poland etc. we can't drive to Italy for our summer hols!

Astrfool is right about politics in the area. I don't know who started it but there is bad blood between FCC and DAA for decades. So very planning app or condition has hidden subtext under.

FCC attempted to re-zone land that the ALSAA club sits on, I'll try and find the news article.

The is nothing preventing growth at Shannon, that's the point. If Shannon is the better option for people, they are free to choose it. But for the last decade more people have been choosing Cork, and Dublin (obviously). There's no logic to limiting one airport to force traffic elsewhere, all 3 should be options and people free to choose - as has always been the case.

The cap doesn't related the road access, which was a know temporary issue. DAA love to misrepresent it in the media, to deflect from their mishandling of it
It is in place because the original 2006 application for specifically for a airport that could manage 32m passengers. The cap was to set a criteria for when a plans to develop a larger airport would be required.
The whole planning assessment: planning, design, roads, noise, water and sewers, power, etc was assess based on that 32m size.

DAA should have sorted that in 2019/2020. But they withdrew due to covid. And left it to 2024/2025 to lodged when cap was restrictive.

FCC can only responded DAA applications. DAA are solely to blame for leaving it so late.

The fact you think "spite" should be mentioned on the rejection before it is seen as spiteful, undermines your opinion in the area.

Obviously spite would not be mentioned. But it's silly to claim it was spiteful. They were simply following planning law. DAA applied to demolish them for no particular reason. If there was no reason to demolish, there's no justification to approve. That is basic planning, DAA were either being sneaky, or getting terrible advice.

Those reasons you list work both ways. If all airlines only operated outside of Dublin, then any airline to break form and fly form Cork has a monopoly on customer acquisition, ticket pricing, and can fully leverage the convenience factor.

The fact is, airlines are not flying from Cork and Shannon because of some sense of social obligation, it is simply because it is profitable to do so. And they are not flying Waterford because it isn't profitable.

The centralizing-zombie claim is theoretical, and also correct. If we continually centralize for the short term benefits the described negatives arrive in time.

But we're not centralising. That's the point. There is no restriction on flights from Shannon. Nor a requirement to fly more from Dublin. People are free to choose where the demand is. If there was more demand at Shannon, there would be more flights. This has literally happened at Cork which surpassed Shannon and now will be expanded.

Dublin simply has the most demand. There will be more viable routes, and more demand for common routes. Restricting that is crazy

I'll again bring up the others posters question again lads...drive v fly... are your cars amphibious, I must be really behind...

https://simpleflying.com/dublin-nxt-gateway-europe/

" The European Court is due to rule on the cap around summer '26. The Irish Govt are stalling so that the EU court will do the job for them .Ireland is very parochially divided between the rural regions and Dublin. Rural Ireland is generally anti Dublin and rural political groups are usually opposed ( Publicly or quietly ) to any investment or development in the Dublin region . Subsequently rural Ireland also opposes any further development at Dublin Airport for no economic reason , but just to prevent Dublin growing . Sad but true. As ever with social situations that the Irish govt would rather avoid, The European Court will deal with it hopefully by the end of next summer"

rural ireland might find a lot of supporters in dublin.

especially among those without an interest in more shyte and more people being crammed in.

although im sure there are some in rural ireland who do have interests in piling up whatever it takes in dublin, getting theirs, and leaving it all behind in the rear view. the jackeens can live in congestion and noise while i live in my quiet rural mcmansion.

You are arguing against a situation that doesn't exist. There are 6 international airports and people are free to create demand anywhere. If somebody chooses to fly out of Dublin instead of another airport that is their choice.

dublin has the most demand because most stuff is in dublin.

No. Dublin has more demand because it is the capital, and as such is better connected to the rest of the country. Dublin is there simple service "stuff" in Dublin. Somebody from Athlone, is flying out of Dublin, because that it most convenient for them.

with 90%(?) of flights out of dublin we are centralizing, by choosing to not implement change. inaction on an effective monopoly is a choice.

Centralizing means moving something to a single centre, and consolidating to a single choice/option. That has not happened.
There isn't any restriction on people wanting to fly from Knock or Farranfore. There simply isn't as much demand for Kerry International. The reality is, we don't need 6 airports, and 4 better airports would be better overall.

What change do you want? I mean, what is your actual suggestion. That people should forced to fly from the airports, that they have not wanted to fly from when given the choice. I can't see how removing choice is ever an good approach.

burning coal at home was cheaper and more convenient in the short term, there was more demand. doesnt mean it didnt need changing.

Burning coal is harmful to the environment. It was stopped to reduce that harm.
If a plane flies out of somewhere else rather than Dublin, there is no reduction, if anything its worse. So I'm not sure that's a great analogy