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Tesla Talk 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭sk8board


    not at all true for 90% of sellers. You’re still getting a trade price and your car needs to be factory fresh for them to consider it.

    Selling private is the best option, but again, not many people like selling a car from their driveway, certainly not a €20-30k one.

    It’s hard to sell a Tesla, and get a price you’re happy with. look at the number of private ads for Tesla’s who are selling because of a “new Tesla incoming” - They’re staying within the brand, but are getting rode on the trade-in, so they’re trying desperately to sell privately, but they’re pricing the cars far to high and eventually have to take the measly Tesla/trade offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭sk8board


    passed two taxis in a tank tonight that were 252 MY junipers, and I’d say these new cheaper teslas will be big hits as taxi’s.
    Tesla seem to be one of the more popular taxis now in Dublin, ID4 too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,214 ✭✭✭...Ghost...




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,214 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    That rules out a huge chunk of people though. I'm not a high mile driver, but over the 2 years and 9 months I had my Model 3 (222) I put 69k on the ODO. That was daily commuting of 70km daily return. Several months of vehicle not in use when I was working abroad. The usual trips once or twice a week to the supermarket around the the corner and a single long journey to Germany and back.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭sk8board


    it’s very hard to find Irish stock.

    There’s 9,600 Irish registered Teslas sold across the 4 years 2022-25, and just 28 ads on DD for cars 22 or newer with under 60,000, and just 4 of those are private ads.

    They definitely need to send emails to try to encourage people to sell who weren’t considering it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,519 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    I'm sure GW isn't going to crib about a few thousand kms.

    Tesla trade ins recently have been surprisingly competitive. I had one in September that was well over the trade-bid value. Usually the Tesla figure is many thousands less than trade-bid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,089 ✭✭✭✭josip


    It's obvious from the Graham Walker ad that they don't want to have to provide the normal 6 months warranty you'd get when buying a 2nd hand ICE from a dealer. So they're relying on the car still having 20k and 1 year of Tesla warranty left. I doubt they would consider a 70k or higher mileage car.

    Have they bought older than 3 year old cars from anyone? I see one 2021 for sale on their site and that's the oldest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,153 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Smart strategy. Zero risk to them as long as the cars weren't crashed. And they can cherry pick as few others buy second hand Teslas and offer decent money for them. I believe Vector motors is the other crowd with a similar business model

    Leave the older / higher mileage to lower level dealers / traders. Who could well still offer more than the Tesla PFO trade in quotes

    And I can see no reason for Tesla to start taking more trade ins. They simply don't have the staff nor the space to do this

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    That’s where the likes of Platin Cars, Holdon Cars etc come in.
    They tend to buy the higher mileage stuff and sell for a bit cheaper with the usual dealer 3 month warranty.

    GW and Vector have carved out the market they want and seems to work well for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭September1


    I think private sellers of EVs are putting too high asking prices initially, but instead of adjusting price they sell below market value. There are two groups of buyers, one that is comfortable with negotiation and other that is not. If you accept offers significantly below your asking you will be selling to limited market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭offalyguy25


    What would you see as a good asking price for a 222 reg M3 RWD with 66k Km - (ultra red with black interior) It has the upgraded wheels etc - but I know that doesn't make any difference in the used market - reason I ask is there's such a difference in prices on the likes of DD that it's difficult to know what to ask for :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 bridgerock


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    Looks like they have kept FM radio and Basic Autopilot on the European version of the new Model Y Standard anyways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭September1


    Just go about 2k below price of similar from a garage to start and then just see what kind of low ball offers you get. Then drop price once in a while but do not accept offers that are let's say 200 below dropped price. You can always drop price further and perhaps bring into table a buyer that is not good or comfortable with negotiating - it is better to drop asking price than agree to it during negotiation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 336 ✭✭reaction238


    What's the reason for GW only accepting cars under 60k km? It seems really arbitrary. I could have 40k and destroyed the car and battery. I could have 100k and be in mint condition and a healthy battery.

    Edit: sorry missed the latest posts. It's about the warranty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭sk8board


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,153 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I think you have a good experience with Vector yourself? My brother in law just bought a Taycan from them, trading in his Q8 etron. Good no nonsense experience and he got a decent deal. It's embarrassing what some diesel loving clowns from other (well known) dealers offered him for the Audi.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Yeah dealt with them and have had a few dealings with Richie himself. Nice honest establishment from my experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭sk8board


    So you’re saying that the only dealer who wanted to offer a half decent trade in on the depreciation magnet that is the Q8 eTron was a dealer who was trying to offload an even bigger depreciation magnet Taycan.

    and you think these guys are just ‘diesel loving clowns’. They’re running a business and might know just a little more than the rest of us about what is selling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭TerrieBootson




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,153 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Nah they were clowns. Well there was only one in fairness, in Spirit motors. Same deal, selling a Taycan. It is still for sale, no surprise there

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/porsche-taycan-taycan-4x4-all-wheel-drive-cross-t/40579226

    Unlike Vector motors, who were totally professional and knowledgeable. Did a deal there and then and my brother in law took his card out and paid in full. Pretty much on a whim, he doesn't need to count the pennies

    And make no mistake, these days in general a well informed amateur often knows better than a sub par professional. In many trades.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,589 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    you would only need to read the ad for the taycan to know that most of these lads know next to nothing, apparently its the best driving car porsche make…. most staff in car dealerships are worse than useless, you have a few independents that know their niche but sales lads in main dealers are the dregs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭September1


    Tesla warranty for most TM3/TMY expires at 80k or 4 years, hence such cars are zero risk of big warranty claims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,519 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Of course they're not. For GW or Vector motors a mini-valet is all that's required and boom….off to a new owner.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,501 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Proof is in the pudding. The Q8 is sold from Vectors so they obviously know their market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,450 ✭✭✭sk8board


    I see other parts of the internet reporting that Tesla has simply removed the RWD SR+ from some European sites and listed the Standard for €39.9k in its place. Which would strike me as a bizarre move if true - a lesser product for the same price.

    We’ll find out soon enough I suppose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,153 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Any link to a country that has that? Agree that would be bizarre. A thinly veiled price increase. Somehow I doubt it is real though and meant like that, perhaps just a few steps or edits in updating the sites

    Nothing to see yet about the Standard Model 3 or Model Y yet on the Irish site

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,214 ✭✭✭...Ghost...


    Pub stool forums maybe. The anti tesla/musk/ev function rooms

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭joe1303l




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,541 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Can used Tesla’s not be got from Japan, shed loads of ICE’s/PHEV’s coming to Ireland from there at the moment



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