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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭davetherave


    I see in the frequency table there is an A1 south, Knocklyon —> City Centre, much like a 15c I suppose. In theory running every two minutes 0700-0900. That'd be nice, the 15's are jammed by the time they get to Templeogue Bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭john boye


    Interesting to see the 72 being taken out of the tenters and continuing along the SCR to George's St. ala the 122. I wonder if this suggests the O route is a long way off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Some other notable changes:

    Screenshot_20251006-230507.png

    Potential re-routing of the 19 and 24 is referenced around Ballymun & Harristown, along with reference to the A3 being extended into DCU in the future.

    Screenshot_20251006-230959.png

    Potential also for the S2 & 82 to terminate within the new housing development on the Glass Bottle Site.

    Screenshot_20251006-231858.png

    Further, the N8 will now avoid the Clare Hall junction and turn into City Junction Business Park, in order to utilise the new Belmayne bus gate



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I'm concerned about the frequency of the A2 to the airport being just 12 minutes! The 16 has a 10 minute frequency and of course the 41 will be gone from the airport! I know the 19 is a nice addition, but I fear the A2 is going to be a disaster and require lots of extra buses.

    I had an interesting experience last week, I got the bus into town at two fairly offpeak times, 4pm and 7pm. The 4pm 6 buses past full and I managed to squeeze onto an almost full 7th bus. I'm not exaggerating, there were about 40 people at the bus stop by the time the 7th one turned up! Again this is heading into town, not out. Similar at 7pm 3 or 4 buses before heading down to the next stop to grab a 19.

    The 13 was really a big loss to this area and has left a painful gap in services. It feels like the bus services are reaching breaking point when they are so busy even off peak in the quiet direction!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    There is also a PDF listing all route changes:

    https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/Route-Updates.pdf



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    Yeah the loss of the 11 and 13 through Drumcondra has been a massive downgrade. It used to be a turn up and go service, now you absolutely have to check. And then hope the bus isn't full and let's you on..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭PlatformNine


    I am sceptical that the proposed A2 frequency will be enough for the airport, and I think it's pretty quickly going to need something to supplement it. However I also wouldn't underestimate how much the 19, 24, and especially N8 could help boost capacity and relieve pressure from the A2. I think there will be a good few users who will prefer them, and I think the N8 will struggle with just 2bph, as its providing direct Blanch-Airport and Clongriffin/DART-Airport connections. I honestly think the N8 might need its freq doubled to 15 min.

    Additionally separating CC-Airport and CC-Swords(and Airport-Swords somewhat too) traffic I think will help a lot. Part of the problem with getting a 41 to/from the airport right now is that it can be packed with people going to/from Swords. Allowing those services to be more dedicated to Swords and the airport respectively should help too.

    That all said I went through to count the pre- and post-BC frequency on Drumcondra Rd-Airport/Swords Corridor and I am not liking what I am counting. Off-peak if I have counted right it is a good bump in capacity, but on-peak seems to be about the same which while not the end of the world, is far from great. What is essentially happening is that the A1 is replacing the 2x 33 and 2x 44 as well as 1x 16 from the peak hour. Meaning that capacity is being kept(if not increased) south of Swords Rd, but is being decreased from the airport and Swords.

    While this isn't a catastrophic decrease in capacity(and the 19, 24, and N8 should help), that is already a VERY busy corridor and should be having its capacity increased along the whole corridor, not kept the same. I am really hoping that they are planning to increase the A-spine to 10 minute frequency for the peak hour and/or adding some short A2/A4 services, it's really needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭PlatformNine


    There have been a lot of small changes that I am only just spotting. Obviously I missed everything you pointed out, but I also missed that the D1 is going to use the bus gate as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 488 ✭✭PlatformNine


    Something else I have noticed while looking into the frequency to/from the airport, the L85(33a replacement) is having its frequency increased to 4bph. That should help make the service more appealing as well as make connecting to/from DARTs much easier.

    But that also now means its planned to have 22bph going through the airport. I will be interested to see how the current bus stops handle that, especially since 20bph will be terminating. It already seems to be struggling with 17bph, so at 22bph I think it might start bursting at the seams. Especially since like I mention my post above, I think the A2 and N8 frequency will need to be increased.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Arhanedus


    Overall I'm glad that they have been reviewing the new routes, and the D and A spine routes are being adjusted to work better and match new demand levels.

    The A spine might be one that will need "shorts" on both ends of the route. The A1, A1 shorts, and A3 all serving Knocklyon will hopefully carry the demand there, given that they will give a combined frequency comparable to the E1 in Bray.

    However, as others mentioned above, the airport is also really busy, so reducing direct airport services from the 16 and 41 to just the A2 at every 12 minutes is far from great, as the other buses only help in relieving demand from the areas they serve - tons of people will still be going to the airport from the city centre.

    The A spine will also need to have something figured out for nighttime capacity. The 41 already struggles with airport-bound passengers at night, and that's with a 30 minute frequency. If the A2 is reduced to 60 minutes (as all the spine routes have been thus far), it's going to be hell for people trying to get into the airport for early morning shifts and flights, especially since the 19 and 24 don't start early enough in the morning for the first wave of passengers…



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, all the new routes to the airport are fantastic, it is really turning into a transport hub for North Dublin and intercity coaches. They badly need the new bus station they have planned for there.

    And I agree, these new services will take some of the pressure off the A2. Also the A3 will take some of the pressure off for those travelling south of Collins Avenue. It is almost like a new route, though in some ways it is only giving back the capacity lost by the 13.

    But something just feels off about it all to me, but hard to explain. On the one hand we are saying we want to run 64m long Metro's to the airport every 90 seconds in the future, but until then we can't even bother running a double decker bus on the same route every 10 minutes!

    I know the A2/16 isn't the busiest PSO route, but I feel it is the most important one. It is the PSO route that connects our Capital city to our national airport. It is the first experience tourists have of PSO public transport services here and even for local people, it might be the only PSO service they might take as they usually drive. I feel like it should be a service where we want to put our best foot forward. Other European cities often make their equivalent routes BRT's, with high frequency and a special name to really show their best.

    But not here, the 16 has always felt like an afterthought at best and while I get the reason why that might have been the case for DB in the past, I don't understand why the NTA would persist with that and perhaps make it even worse!

    Anyway, hopefully I'm worrying about nothing, it just feels like an odd one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I'd argue that the 41 is the more important bus for the airport. Takes a quicker route and runs 24hr.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Well the A2 will take the same direct route and also be 24 hour. So you could say it is really a sort of amalgamation of both the 16 and 41.

    The A2 will operate out of OCS like the 16 and terminate at the airport like the 16. But will take the route of the 41 and run 24/7 like the 41. Of course the A2 will also continue through south Dublin like the 16 did.

    I think tourists tended to take the 16 a bit more, given it had "Dublin Airport" on the destination and served various hotels and hostels across south Dublin. 41 was a bit more of a "secret" route to the airport for locals IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,187 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    How much funding is BusConnects getting from Budget 2026?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭thomasj


    If memory serves me correct , these 24/7 services were introduced to service the nighttime economy including bringing essential staff to/from these 24/7 institutions. So it's mainly for Airport staff which would more likely be based on the Northside.

    Good example of this being the N4 and people asking why this route was introduced and none of the other orbital routes , I've been on it a number of occasions in the early hours and there were Ryanair staff coming home.

    As for the Swords Road routes it would make sense for both A2 and A4 routes to be running at a frequency of 30 minutes. Given that there's probably not going to be local routes out in the early hours , there will need to be a link for Swords/Airport given that Swords is likely the biggest employment base for the Airport, so I would assume that in the early hours , the A4 will serve the Airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56 ✭✭Arhanedus


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    Wasn't able to get a better pic but there's a bus on Nassau Street testing the new destination signs.

    It first said 80, then switched to F1. Front said "F1 Harold's Cross".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 Paul_798


    Saw three new bus stops today in City centre on F spine.

    Stop 7995 on Kevin St Lower, Eastbound ( Opposite what used to be College of Technology.)

    Stop 8044 on Cuffe St., Eastbound ( This is labelled as F1,F2, F3 but I think it should also have 23 & 24)

    Have not seen any westbound stops on Cuffe St. or Kevin St. Lower.

    I also saw a new westbound stop on the South West corner of Stephens Green although I didn't go over to check the details



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭VG31


    It's possible the 23 and 24 will stop at the Redmond's Hill stop which is right before Cuffe Street so that may not be a mistake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭brandodub


    Bus stop flags updated in Finglas Village now too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Kimmage Road West has gotten the new flags also.

    A friend also saw a bus full of GAI drivers at the 73/123 terminus in Walkinstown, presumably on driver training for the 73.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    They won't learn an awful lot if there's a bus full of them. Any more than three or four is a waste of time. You can't really learn it properly without having the chance to drive it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Got sent on a photo since, and looks to be around 7 drivers onboard/standing outside it

    image_20251008124329~2.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Exactly you learn nothing sitting on a bus twiddling your thumbs you have to actually drive it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,807 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    'You'll know it by the time you get back' 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 997 ✭✭✭alentejo


    New bus lane south bound on Merrion St heading south towards Ely Place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭VG31


    New routes are in TFI app and Bus Times now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Looks like contraflow bus operations are returning to Hume Street for the 23, 24 and 82?

    Screenshot_20251009-061140.png Screenshot_20251009-061232.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,301 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That was always the plan. The bus lanes are already in place,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    Well done Dublin Bus, by the skin of your teeth, but you managed to avoid scheduled overtaking on the Fs and the 82 when the journey times are reduced after the PM peak. No such luck on the 80, however: the 20.30 ex LV is scheduled to catch up to the 20.15 by Lord Edward Street and be 3' earlier in Palmerston.

    It's ridiculous that I have to compliment them on the four good routes to begin with, but that's what happens when you assign run time profiles based on terminus departure and not on time-vs-location-en-route.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12 Merricat


    The new F1 stops in Firhouse were installed yesterday, which is good news. The full route is outlined at the stops, so I understand that it will stop at Cuffe Street, but after that, the only location listed between it and Westmoreland Street is Bellevue Avenue... anyone have any idea where that is, or what way the Fs are meant to travel through the city centre?



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