BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

They put them up in 2022 when the PA's were initially put on the 123, although they only changed the bus stops on Griffith Ave, Marino Estate and Philipsburgh Avenue

As far as I know, the stops aren't printed in pieces (like in Budapest, see here → https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed4iqkgM93s ), but are printed as one giant sticker, so you can either overlay the old numbers with a small sticker or are better off replacing the entire stop head and reusing the old one. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the stop heads from Marino will find their use at other phase 7 stops.

(I've said my share of gripes about using one giant print for an entire stop already and how much more costly it makes things, but this is coming from someone who also grew up in cities that post every route as its own piece of paper on stops, which just makes sense.)

They set up a new TFI pole for the 84x stop on Stephen's Green around 2 years ago or so (the only route serving it), and since that the 84X was replaced (& re-routed) as part of phase 6a, they simply put a sticker over the route number and left the pole as is.

They've started updating the flags with the F-spine/23/24 now at the existing TFI stops.

The Bus Eireann 109A to Kells stops at Ballymun Kickhams now also.

I'm not a fan of how inconsistent the TFI bus stops are. Most split the routes by operator but some don't (like the Ballymun Kickhams 19/24/109A and Cremore Villas 24/N2 stops). Then despite the Bus Eireann 103 stopping at multiple places on the Finglas Road there's zero indication at the actual stops.

The flag definitely didn't list it until now though.

Great to see that they still display a vague stop name as the terminus, with no reference to the terminus area itself (in this case Charlestown for the F2). At minimum, the "Towards X" should be the area or what the bus itself displays as the destination, not the terminus stop.

Because the E1 terminates in Ballywaltrim which is just on the edge of Bray rather than terminating at the station. Maybe it would be better if the displays showed Bray (Ballywaltrim).

They probably chose it because it follows the 145 route and that did say Ballywaltrim on it, but of course that was when there were two routes running to Bray, and the 155 did just say Bray. With just the 1 core route serving the town I am not sure why they chose Ballywaltrim over Bray.

If anything I think it's a good example of how they could better use the smaller text display. I really don't think saying "via city centre" (which I believe is what they still say?) is a good use of the very limited text space a bus has. Bray as the main location with Ballywaltrim in small text below I think would have made more sense.

that’s a really fast journey time from Rathmines to Pearse, takes 20-25 minutes at the moment!

I see a few errors on the 82/F2 stops on Wellington lane stops 1099,6132,4578,100,1097 all show the 150 on it, from October 19th the 150 turns onto Limekiln Road.

If I recall, this was from an internal DB doc so I wouldn't treat it as gospel, but is this implying that a new L90 route will replace the local link 196 between Swords and Toberburr, and be operated by Dublin Bus? Or is the L90 meant to be some other route. As far as I recall, it wasn't a route number that was part of the original plans.

https://busconnects.ie/cities/dublin/new-dublin-area-bus-network/

They have recently updated the map and freq tables on the BC website include all the various changes discussed previously. The changes document lists them all better than I could but it does of course include the A3, D5, and 57/58 changes. But I wanted to try and list as many changes as I could catch that are either very notable or aren't mentioned, but I didn't catch everything so you should all check the updated maps and tables.

Map Changes:

• A4 is diverted via Bushy Park Rd, and will terminate in Nutgrove rather than Dundrum until terminus space is made
• D3 now follows the 15 route from Clarehall to Clongriffin, then will be extended (not diverted) to Belmayne when roads are available
• D4 is confirmed as extended to Omni SC
• the 78 is infact the replacement for the northside D5, and more or less 1:1 replaces the 27a
• L82 extended to Knocksedan. Possibly part of the 196 changes, but I would imagine there is more to it
• X85 is the renumbered X79, presumably to correspond to the 33a being renumbered to the L85

Freq Table Changes:

• Some frequencies updated to reflect current services levels (most notable for the C-spine), as well as any other increases/decreases over the past years. Most notable for spines, but the orbitals and radial have been changed too
  • Most notable proposed change is that the all 4 D-spine routes will operate at 10 min frequency during the peak hour
• Drop in 10 freq to 6bph at peak from 10bph.
• 20 and 21 to operate at 20 min freq instead of 30.
• Increased 36 to 10 min but dropped 35 to 20 min frequencies (both from 15 min)
• 71 and 72 will have 20 and 15 minute frequencies instead of 30 min.
• 80 and 85 to operate at 8 min freq instead of 10 min. The 80 will operate at 10 min on launch so it will probably be increased in the A-spine phase
• L80 frequency changes to 20 min on-peaks and 40 min off-peak rather than 30 min all day.
• The L91 is still holding on for now, but considering the 53a has been gone we will see what happens in Phase 8
• the 9 spine route (A9, D9, etc) have been dropped for peak time A1, E1, and F1 services
• 71 short is gone
• 19 short servics have been added
• Many changes to the P and X routes frequencies. Including: additional services, less services, same number of services spread across more hours, same number of services condensed into less hours.