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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    New bus stop flags going up on Griffith Avenue today with the 73 on them instead of 123.

    As an aside interesting to note that they completely replaced the flag with the new one, it wasn't modified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭VG31


    That's very early . They normally only do it 1-3 days before the start date.

    I was in Marino last week for the first time in quite a while and noticed they have the TFI style bus stops for the 123 there instead of the DB ones. I also checked Google Street View, they've been there for a while. I was surprised by that. I thought they were normally only replaced for BusConnects routes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭Fizzy Duck


    They put them up in 2022 when the PA's were initially put on the 123, although they only changed the bus stops on Griffith Ave, Marino Estate and Philipsburgh Avenue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    The GoAhead website now has the BusConnects Phase 7 page:

    https://www.goaheadireland.ie/phase-7-busconnects-network-redesign-launches-sunday-19-october-2025

    The 73 timetable is also online on the GoAhead website, and thankfully what was posted back in July about the planned frequency was total rubbish (as I suspected at the time).

    https://images-goaheadireland.passenger-website.com/downloads/Web%20Timetable_73_V256.pdf

    I think that people really do need to take anything contained in interim documents (especially about what another company is going to do) with a pinch of salt, until the final timetables are published. We've gone round and round in circles over something that was clearly nonsense. Frankly Dublin Bus should have known better and just focussed on their own services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,156 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    It's being reported in the papers by Linda Daly today that the owners of Blanchardstown SC are introducing car parking charges for it's customers from next year. The newspaper didn't say which calendar month they will be implemented.

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    However a poster mentioned in the comments on Reddit that the owners of the centre have plans to build new apartments near Mr Price in Blanchardstown SC next year as well. I didn't get a figure for how many apartments are getting built in Blanchardstown at the moment. It might be out there somewhere online.

    What sort of effect will this move have on the current bus routes that serve Blanchardstown now & in the future?

    There has been a lot of conversations on here lately about the 39/39A bus routes not turning up on time for passengers or turning up full when going to or from the City Centre when the 39A has 24 hour operation. The N4 also has the benefit of 24 hour operation when going from Blanchardstown to The Point which alleivates pressure for the 39/39A going into town.

    I think it would be a good move from the NTA in future to maybe make routes like the upcoming N8 route & the W4 go into 24 hour operation. It would be a good idea from the NTA's point of view to also have an increase in the planned frequency for the 35, 36 or 37 from Burlington Road near the RDS to make things more sustainable for people using the bus routes in Blanchardstown as well.

    However there is still free parking available at the moment in places like The Omni SC in Santry & in Nutgrove SC at the moment.

    The Omni SC is going to be served by the D-Spine from next year. Nutgrove SC already has the S6 in operation outside the centre for the past 2 years & it's still awaiting implementation of the A-Spine in possibly late 2026 depending on resources being available from the operators to roll out the new routes. Would there any plans for the owners of these shopping centres to introducing parking charges as a way to entice people in using public transport to travel to them in the future?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Charging for parking isn't going to encourage people out of their cars.

    They will pay for parking over paying and waiting for a bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    As far as I know, the stops aren't printed in pieces (like in Budapest, see here → https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed4iqkgM93s ), but are printed as one giant sticker, so you can either overlay the old numbers with a small sticker or are better off replacing the entire stop head and reusing the old one. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the stop heads from Marino will find their use at other phase 7 stops.

    (I've said my share of gripes about using one giant print for an entire stop already and how much more costly it makes things, but this is coming from someone who also grew up in cities that post every route as its own piece of paper on stops, which just makes sense.)



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,636 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, I assume it is just a fancy sticker on a metal plate and they can easily replace it or just cover over it to reuse it for another stop.

    I'm not sure there is really a big cost of doing that, such wraps are pretty cheap to print. Might not be much cost difference with the modular style with the changeable plates, etc.

    The biggest cost is likely the person they send out to climb the ladder to replace the flags.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    They set up a new TFI pole for the 84x stop on Stephen's Green around 2 years ago or so (the only route serving it), and since that the 84X was replaced (& re-routed) as part of phase 6a, they simply put a sticker over the route number and left the pole as is.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Those bus stops in the video look a far superior design than anything the NTA could muster up and look very sturdy. The new stops are flimsy and won't last the test of time. Already many of them are facing the wrong way due to the wind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭VG31


    They've started updating the flags with the F-spine/23/24 now at the existing TFI stops.

    The Bus Eireann 109A to Kells stops at Ballymun Kickhams now also.

    I'm not a fan of how inconsistent the TFI bus stops are. Most split the routes by operator but some don't (like the Ballymun Kickhams 19/24/109A and Cremore Villas 24/N2 stops). Then despite the Bus Eireann 103 stopping at multiple places on the Finglas Road there's zero indication at the actual stops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭VG31


    The flag definitely didn't list it until now though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭gidget


    Bus stop updated in Templeogue

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    Not sure if error or intentional but 150 won’t be stopping at that stop anymore after changeover, with the terminus move to Greenhills College!

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    Surprised to see the 82 (54a) has included a stop at Pearse Station, that will certainly come in handy for me as I use the Dart a lot

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Great to see that they still display a vague stop name as the terminus, with no reference to the terminus area itself (in this case Charlestown for the F2). At minimum, the "Towards X" should be the area or what the bus itself displays as the destination, not the terminus stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    I find the 82 Saturday timetable with the "every 20 mins" grouping hilarious – they've taken nine departures and simplified them to take the space of eight, but then you have a string of 12:09-14:49 (again nine deps) that weren't simplified. There are two more cases of that on that particular 82 stop.

    Do I want to know the algorithm/logic behind frequency grouping?

    Let's also not ignore the starting date for the 82 and F2 being listed as 29 June 2025.

    ^ As for the usage of terminus stop names, it's continental practice and on that front I approve. The problem isn't with matching the stop name, the problem is therefore with the stop name itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    this drives me mad, and it's so inconsistent. Like on the E spine, the E2 goes to "Dun Laoghaire" which is fine, everyone knows where that is. The E1 goes to "Ballywaltrim", where the hell is that, what's wrong with "Bray"?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭VG31


    That also bothers me. It's completely nonsensical using the name of some random road that no one who doesn't live near there will have heard of. Some that spring to mind

    9, 15A - Limekiln Avenue - should be Greenhills

    150 - Rossmore - should be Templeogue

    1- Shanard Road (they did change this to Santry at least)

    122 - Ashington - should be Ashtown

    123 - Kilnamanagh Road - should be Walkinstown



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Because the E1 terminates in Ballywaltrim which is just on the edge of Bray rather than terminating at the station. Maybe it would be better if the displays showed Bray (Ballywaltrim).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,065 ✭✭✭thomasj


    I would disagree with the 122. It's about a 15 minute walk from Navan Road junction down to the 122 terminus in Ashington (another 5 minutes down to Ashtown )

    it would actually be closer to get to Ashington from Pelletstown over the new walkway bridge at the rail station than it would walking from the Navan road.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 464 ✭✭PlatformNine


    They probably chose it because it follows the 145 route and that did say Ballywaltrim on it, but of course that was when there were two routes running to Bray, and the 155 did just say Bray. With just the 1 core route serving the town I am not sure why they chose Ballywaltrim over Bray.

    If anything I think it's a good example of how they could better use the smaller text display. I really don't think saying "via city centre" (which I believe is what they still say?) is a good use of the very limited text space a bus has. Bray as the main location with Ballywaltrim in small text below I think would have made more sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    the 145 and 45 before it used Ballywaltrim or Oldcourt or "Seafront" as destinations, long before the 155 existed.

    I assume these displays can be programmed to change based on location (and if not, why not? its 2025!) so they could start with "Bray via CC" and change to Bray via Stillorgan" and then to "Ballywaltrim" once they reached Bray. Or just fecking "Bray" the whole time!

    Or, just go the whole hog and put the bus stop number on the display.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5 transportnerd


    that’s a really fast journey time from Rathmines to Pearse, takes 20-25 minutes at the moment!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Go-Ahead Naas buses seems to have a more detailed display with scrolling text.



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